Pedophile gets ok to be clown at Playland NY

Friday, December 27, 2002 7:57 AM

Just came across a crazy story about a pedophile who has gotten the ok from a judge to be a performer for kids at Playland in NY. I have submitted to news also, didnt know if its coaster news but I wanted to make sure parents on here read about it.

http://www.nyjournalnews.com/newsroom/122702/1A27hobbs.html

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Friday, December 27, 2002 8:09 AM
I saw that earlier in the Chicago Tribune. I submitted a link to Jeff this morning...

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Friday, December 27, 2002 8:26 AM
*cough* Gacy *cough* Some how I have a hunch that this guy won't be around for long. And IMO That judge should be disbarred.
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Friday, December 27, 2002 8:55 AM
Well, at least there's hope for Michael Jackson to be gainfully employed someday...

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Friday, December 27, 2002 8:56 AM
He already wears clown makeup. All he needs is an amusement park to work for.......

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Friday, December 27, 2002 8:58 AM
Wrong wrong wrong! :(

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Friday, December 27, 2002 9:57 AM
I just realized how badly worded that headline is. Pedophile can "perform" (for children) at Playland

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Friday, December 27, 2002 10:10 AM

I support the county. They have a right to keep than man away from their customers. They have a responsibility and should something go wrong if they were to allow him the permit, they would be considered negligent.

He can go around flaunting the first amendment all he wants. He was convicted twice for abuse of a minor. That sends up a red flag. He needs to be isolated from children.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 10:18 AM

"Flame away"....what are you expecting, a major backlash from the *pro-pedophilia community*....assumption here is that they're keeping a low-profile these days....;)

Seriously, rehabilitation of criminals, I'm all for, but putting kids in jeopardy, that's just not smart...

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Friday, December 27, 2002 10:28 AM

Just as long as his isn't asking the kids to squeeze his horn.

Seriously, he is another fine example of what is going wrong in American society.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 10:46 AM

Should we not also take into account that the last occurence was over 20 years ago (at least to the knowledge of the courts.) There should be some point where any and all criminals (usually once released from prison) get to start their lives over.

Granted if I was a parent I would not want my kids at that park without some supervision by an adult knowing that he is there.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 10:57 AM

In this case, there are a million jobs he can do, not around kids. There is no reason this guy needs to be a clown. Could he have a job that was more closely assocaited with children? Would they let him be a daycare worker?

This is insane. I am not saying he shouldn't have a life. Maybe just not a life around kids. Similarly, if you drink and drive and kill someone, take the bus for the rest of your life. That isn't too much to ask of a person who killed another.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 10:59 AM

I would go a step beyond that beast and say ... 'as' a parent, I wouldnt even visit that park knowing that he was there.

When you think about it, now that this has made the news, Playland is probably going to lose a large customer base just with this guy possibly performing there.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 11:17 AM
Think about it he probably got raped in prison all the time anyway, so I bet he's a bigger germ farm then the monkey in outbreak. No one wants him there and everyone now knows that he's a pedophile. And he says that he wants to rely on "tips". Who would tip a convicted child molester? This is a lose lose situation playland loses customers and the guy gets a chance to be around kids which he wants to molest. Once a pedophile always a pedophile. Make him a janitor at a federal building or something.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 12:42 PM
Clowns are scary.
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Friday, December 27, 2002 12:58 PM

being convicted of a crime would keep him from being a janitor in a federal building. remember they do a background check now that is very strict, and detailed. maybe he could get a job at the animal shelter, baabaa, or some other occupation were human contact is not required.

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Friday, December 27, 2002 7:25 PM
Time for a dissenting opinion, I guess. Do I like the idea of a pedophile working as a 'street clown' in an amusement park? No, I don't. But feelings don't matter when we're talking about law...and like it or not, the judge made what appears to be a legally correct decision. beast7369 sums it up nicely. A couple of other points...it was noted on a television show tonight that the man's convictions were both misdemeanor offenses, and like it or not, there is no law at the moment which prevents this guy from doing this work. It's also important to note that the guy would not be employed by the park. This is what puts a ban on his performance on shaky constitutional ground. He's planning to do some busking in areas of public assembly. And the Supreme Law of the Land basically says that within certain limits, he has the right to do so. It's a free-speech issue, and to restrict him would require a pretty rigidly defined statute.

Do I think this is a wise thing? No. Do I think Rye Playland has a valid concern? Absolutely. But like it or not, I'm afraid the judge in this case made the right decision.

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Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:49 AM

Colonel Sanders said:
And IMO That judge should be disbarred.


I am really disappointed in the classyness of this particular forum. First of all, you just picked up on the story and, well, the journalist obviously didn't take the side of the pedophile so you, as a human, think that what you read is automatically true.

Secondly, one of the biggest problems here in America is the prejudice against other's sexual desires. You can't control your desires, you were born with them, so how can you judge people on that alone?

Thirdly, just because this man may have an attraction to children, doesn't mean he'll act upon it. There are plenty of straight people in this world that never act upon their urges throughout there life for purposes such as religion or personal belief.

Fourth(ly), I'm not saying that I'm a pedophile. Believe what you want but don't judge people on sexual belief, there are good things in everybody, and bad things too. However, in this case, the bad thing's definition varies greatly.

So what do I say? I say that I agree somewhat with Rideman, in the fact that the judge made a lawful decision. However, after reading some of these posts, I think the best thing I can say is open your eyes and mind. Some of you seem very close minded to your beliefs and that's cool, but try not to express that on these boards because you don't know everybody on here and you may be just crushing those who aren't exactly the same as you. So take a look around and take the time to realize that not everybody is the same as you and that's what makes the world go around. Don't hate because you disagree with beliefs learn to accept others for who they are and that is what will get you to greatness.

But I feel we have gotten far off the topic of theme parks and I think it would be in coasterbuzz's best interest to close this topic because of it's sensitivity.

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Saturday, December 28, 2002 11:32 AM

i've yet to read the article, so i'm not judging anybody, but here is what i think. Pedophilia is a disorder that many people have. lots of people have it(i'm not one, so don't even start), but most would never act on it, since most that ARE pedophiles also have a good moral sense of right and wrong(don't even start with the you can't say what is/isn't moral for everyone argument, it won't work here because a pedophile that acts on his or her tendencies and molests/abuses a child is commiting and act of rape, and no one can tell me that rape is moral), and know that it is wrong.

People that act on this tendency may be suffering from some other type of mental disorder, but this dosen't mean they need a job that would allow them to be around many children. Anybody that knows anything about AA knows that they believe that they are always an Alchoholic, but when the quit drinking they are a Recovering Alchoholic.

This dosen't mean that the man dosen't deserve a live, job, or happiness, and even if what had happened was done 50 years ago, you don't hand a Recovering Alchoholic a drink to hold for you while you go to the bathroom.

Think of it this way, if your house had cought on fire years ago due to a defective electrical outlet, would you put the same outlet in your new house years later, just because the person who sold it to you said it was fixed? No, because there would always be that fear there.

I usually agree with judges and their decisions, wether right or wrong by my standards, as long as it goes along with the law, but i'm afraid i don't on this one, though as rideman and beast have pointed out, this is within the law.

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Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:17 PM

SFGAMDie HARD said:

Thirdly, just because this man may have an attraction to children, doesn't mean he'll act upon it. There are plenty of straight people in this world that never act upon their urges throughout there life for purposes such as religion or personal belief.


Please. Sure, he may not act on it, but should a twice convicted pedophile really have the right to work around children? I don't care if his last conviction was 50 years ago. How little common sense must one have not to understand this? Forgive my 'closemindedness,' but I wholeheartedly disagree with this decision.

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