Patriot to debut at Worlds of Fun in 2006

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Personally, I like the fact that the elements are more spread out with "downtime". Flying over the terrain, ala Great Bear is much more exciting to me than constantly pulling killer G's at the bottom of every hill. It seems like it will have plenty of momentum at the end--too bad they couldn't burn that off with a couple of more swooping curves instead of just slamming onto the brakes or finish it off with a tribute to OE, like a batwing/boomerang.

So here's a thought and this doesn't apply to just Patriot:
Instead of having another drop (the one over the station in this case), why not twist the top of the hill to make it into another heartline/Kumba-thingy? It wouldn't cost anymore, right? What keeps parks from doing this when the mentality seems to be fill it with loops! If the ride only has four inversions, wouldn't this be a very easy way to give it one more and boost the coaster's stats? I wondered the same thing with that hill on Hydra. Not complaining; just throwin' the thought out there. It baffles me that their are multiple corcsrews on loopers, but never more than one heartline-roll/Kumba-thingy.*** This post was edited by Acoustic Viscosity 9/7/2005 10:54:00 PM ***

ha its talon

If enthusiasts aren't complaining that [small park here] hasn't got a new ride since [your year here], they're complaining about the small park getting a ride similar to one somewhere else.

Enthusiasts really suck. Seriously. Some of you people must be impossibly not fun to be around at an amusement park.

I don't think enthusiasts suck in general and neither do I think you intended to make such a general statement. But for the record let's just say enthusiasts who prefer their coasters with some cheese and whine do. :)

I really like the layout of this ride! It may be similar to Talon in almost every way, but at the same time it is very different...I would love for my crappy home park (SFAW) to get a coaster like this! Anywho, I'm going to give my input on the whole "tame B&M" argument. Do you really think the general public are going to complain that the ride is not forceful? I think NOT! I, personally, can have just as much fun on a forceless ride as I can on a really intense one...If all you're going to do is complain that the ride doesn't have enough forces and is too tame, then dont ride it! Problem solved! Anywho, can't wait to give this ride a spin...:)

The one weird thing though is that the capacity is only 1,100 an hour. Isn't that a little low for a full circuit coaster (I have no idea, simply a question)?

Actually, it seems a little optimistic to me. Let's assume a train is dispatched every 2 minutes (a fairly good rate IMO for any coaster)

1 hour = 60 minutes; 60 / 2 = 30 trains per hour
(30 trains per hour) x (28 peeps per train) = 840 peeps per hour

Even if you count the 31st train leaving at the hour mark (giving you 28 more peeps), that's only 868 peeps per hour. In order to get 1100 peeps per hour, the dispatch interval is going to have to be about 90 seconds, which is quite doable, but I wouldn't expect it unless they really get the crew motivated. Also, it will be interesting to see how much the second train gets used, knowing WOF.*** This post was edited by Acoustic Viscosity 9/7/2005 11:11:37 PM ***

Another fantastic piece of work by our boys at B&M. They sure know how to please people. Congrats to Keith at Badnitrus for another awesome ride rendering and video. THAT is talent, people! And another thing, I'm in love with that logo. Being a graphic designer myself, I can safely say, whoever created that logo, is a pure genius. Hats off!!

Nice job WOF on picking the right people to represent your new ride! Congrats!

-Jeff-

I, for one, am DEFINITELY excited about this new ride. Worlds of Fun is the closest thing to me until Wild West World gets built so to finally have a more intense ride to replace the Orient will be great. Hopefully for attendance too so they feel inspired to keep putting new things there. Oh, and for whoever was talking about the time in between elements, I think having some time to just fly with some speed is pretty nice. 60 mph is a fun speed to watch things fly by you. Just what I think.

I don't know if it looks MORE fun than Talon but it certainly looks AS FUN AS Talon. I can't understand why some people are complaining...

Being the one who brought up the Talon thing, I didn't really mean my comment to come out as a complaint. I'm just getting kinda tired of the same order of elements on particular kinds of roller coasters. I think Hydra was a nice exception to the rule, so I was a bit disappointed that they didn't take a similar route with Patriot.

When it comes to particular elements on B&M coasters, I really haven't seen anything dramatically new in awhile. Hydra has a freaky looking cobra roll and the spin out of the station, but these are sorta variations of existing elements. I'm surprised B&M hasn't created a top hat element in any of their designs, for instance. At least that would be a variation of another company's element.

As far as Batman the Ride is concerned, I would be complaining if I saw another one of those clones. I love the ride, but I leave the state to ride new coasters. Other than boomerang and impulse coasters, I think coaster clones are pretty lame. Parks all have space that is limited in some regard. If they intend to use any of it, I think they could be a lot more creative than slapping up a ride that most enthusiasts have already ridden somewhere else. The simple fact that there are variations on Patriot compared to Talon is a huge relief to me because it is not a clone. I just think it would have been nice to see something a bit more unique.

I haven't heard a compliment as of yet, regarding the animations, so I will give props to Keith and Co. on another masterpiece. Go Badnitrus!

The first part is just about identical to Talon, but if it turns out to be anything like Talon - that's absolutely a great thing. The end however is very different and looks to be a great ride overall, of course would you expect anything less from Cedar Fair and B&M....they are always about smart engineering and great safe rides.

ttdragster said "I think they could be a lot more creative than slapping up a ride that most enthusiasts have already ridden somewhere else."

Since when do parks build rides for enthusiasts, they build them for the GP who have little to no idea that the same ride exists at another park half way across the country.
*** This post was edited by Timo 9/8/2005 4:28:32 PM ***

John13601 (hope I got that right), mentions about how many original designs B&M and Six Flags could've come up with instead of multiple Batmans. Well, how much more money would've it cost them to make different designs? Cost is a huge factor in their decisions. Not to mention that you're getting a proven design. Obviously, Busch thought is to be a proven winner as they bought one, and the Batman at SFNO was originally located in Japan.

Let's be happy that someone else is getting something similar to Talon, as that's a great coaster. I never got bored of it during the ERT at the Coasterbuzz event in May.

I agree, except SF doesn't care about money, hence their $2.1 billion dollar debt

This looks like a great addition to the park, I found it odd that the trains were only seven cars as well, but they know what they're doing....

I was surprised a few months ago when I had heard rumors this was going to be inverted. Since they lost their looping coaster, OE, I kinda figured it would be a Sitdown Beemer or Floorless at least. But hey, Im not complaining, I love them Inverts!

They always do have the Boomerang though!

Some of you people must be impossibly not fun to be around at an amusement park.

Amen! And then we get the "If you could put all the best coasters in one park, which park would it be, where, and what coasters would be there?" posts.

If we're not supposed to endorse clones, then why bother? I personally think they should clone a few other coasters and put them everywhere, so that I didn't have to spend so much money to travel so far to have a fun layout on a coaster.

You hear that, Camden?

Don't give em' any ideas, Tekno. I don't really want to see another version of The Beast build Six Flags style in a parking lot.

I personally would rather go on a couple OK new roller coasters than ride a great coaster over and over again. I am not the general public, however. I'm someone who's actually willing to take a trip in order to go on some new coasters.

While financial reasons are understandable, I believe most parks could afford to take the extra step in making a great ride. The upcoming Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia is a fine example of this. I hardly think greed is an excuse for large park chains to build coaster clones instead of unique designs.

There is more to gain in having an original design than not. Consider all the publicity Holiday World got after ACE bragged about Raven on multiple TV specials. While the original design originally influenced coaster enthusiasts to visit the park, this can create a domino effect that is worthwhile in the long run.

I have a question.

Who decides what a coaster does and dosen't do, seller or buyer?

Seems CF has a few of these new punchless rides. I haven't been on Hydra but, Silver Bullet was a gigantic let down. I wanted that ride so bad. The animation and the layout looked like a butt kicker, I couldn't believe how slow it seemed, that has to be the worst drop ever. How much would it cost to reprofile it anyway? ;)

I really hope what ever SFMM is getting is one of the better B&M's.