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Note that you'll have to re-enable this feature any time your TiVo is rebooted
yuck :)
Edit: Though to be fair, I have thought about switching to DirectTiVo. Unfortunatley, I'd have to live with a lower-capacity box for a short while, since I probably wouldn't crack it to add a bigger disk until the parts/labor warranty expired.
Inertia sucks.
Edit redux: and before anyone tells me that by skipping commercials I am killing mass-market television, I first say "outstanding", and second point out that I pay for HBO and donate to PBS. I'm just a study in contradictions, I suppose. ;)
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Walt Schmidt - Co-Publisher, PointBuzz
...and before anyone tells me that by skipping commercials I am killing mass-market television, I first say "outstanding"...
Heh, classic. :)
I wouldn't say that at all. The ads are still there, you're not blocking them from appearing. Networks still get paid.
Plus those 'billboard' ads will hit all the DVR users evetually when they skip commercials (once it works for TIVO, other will adopt).
In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's the 'correct' way of doing it vs the 'incorrect' way the internet/pop-up thing plays out.
Everyone is still getting paid and when the advertisers realized that certain people were avoiding their ads, they found a way to hit those people harder, no one else is penalized as a result. Everyone wins.
dannerman said:
Why is it any different in this application?
One is against the law. One is breaking someone's trust (unless it is explicity expressed that it violates a term of service as in Jeff's case). Now I wonder where "special privileges" falls??
And I will repeat what I said in my last post: If the shoe fits, wear it.
Then you weren't talking about me.
Lord Gonchar said:
Seems so ridiculous to me, when you spell it out like that.
Just about anything can sound ridiculous, depending on how you say it. That is further illustrated in this quote:
There's a big difference between info disappearing from a website leading to the conclusion that the ride is aborted and speculating that something that is already happening (the merging of various media) will continue unabated into the future.
Who was concluding and who was speculating?!?!
Maybe a few concluded, but most were speculating/wondering/contemplating/theorizing or whatever else you want to call it.
Jeff - Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog
I know all you webmasters are gonna say that I have no budgeting experience, and you may be right, but come on, stealing a $15.00 cd can not even be compared to blocking pop-ups/adware and spyware.
The whole reason the internet is so corrupted these days is because of pop-ups. I mean if the subject content of pop-ups/ads weren't so poor and dumb, I might consider not blocking them. They are stupid however, I mean, how many of you care about getting over the counter medicine 20% cheaper and stuff. Not me, I came to this website to read about rollercoasters, not penis enlargement and other pharmaceutical supplements. That's how a lot of other people feel too.
I just don't see the point in pop-ups anyway, couldn't someone think of a less obtrusive more creative way of gaining some advertising revenue. For instance, maybe a game you can play while a page is loading or something. But then again, I guess pop-ups are doing their job, if their making me go on this rant about them.
Kyle Says: Diamondback was a lot of fun! Made his first time at Kings Island worth it all!
I don't have a problem with the intersitials, either, provided they work correctly (for some reason, the ones here don't parse the continuation URL correctly in Safari v85, although it works properly in Safari v125).
But pop-up ads are another story.
I've been burned by those damned things so many times that they are banned in any way possible from every machine I use. First of all, they usually contain script code, and if you are running Internet Explorer, that is an invitation to disaster. Those things are capable of loading executable code on your machine because Internet Explorer runs on Windows as what UNIX geeks would call "root". Okay, so the same thing can happen in an ad frame on IE...but IIRC, a script has more power if it owns its own window. More critically, most pop-ups these days assume that you are running IE (which I am not), that you are using Windows (which most of the time I am not), and that they can run ActiveX scripts (which they cannot). The usual result is either a series of script errors, which is annoying, or more often, a browser hang. That's right, I bring up a legitimate web page, it pops a couple of ad windows, and the browser freezes. At least that's what Opera always used to do. Or (Netscape was "good" for this...) pop-ups keep doing their thing until enough memory gets allocated to the (now closed) pop-ups that there is no longer sufficient memory allocated to the remaining main browser window, resulting in an IPF, which is a fatal error. Which, of course, kills your current session state and any tabs you might happen to have going.
Now I don't know what those pop-ups do on my OS-X systems, as I've never let them through on any of my browsers. Pop-up advertising has sinned so egregiously that I have not forgiven the genre. I'll read around the ad boxes, I'll even look at the banners and skyscrapers once in a while. But the evil pop-ups deserve to die. And now that Microsoft has finally updated their browser for Windows, perhaps the pop-up ad will die the horrible death it deserves.
Does that answer your question, Mr. Gonchar, as to why people might want to block pop-up ads? :)
As for me not buying a $20 membership...well, that's a completely different issue, and it has nothing to do with the money. It has nothing to do with Jeff, either, so don't start any ugly rumors. :)
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Kyle, I believe stealing a CD and blocking popups can, and just did, get compared. Your accessing the site is paid for by advertisers. You are, in effect, telling the advertisers "no, you don't need to pay for that, I can [steal] it for free".
What's a few cents matter? Nothing - they don't. It's the principle of the thing. However, a few cents per user adds up to dollars. Quite a few. And those [quite a few] dollars do matter. In addition, if EVERYONE had the same philosophy, this site would either not exist, or exist as member-only.
Also, where do you come up with this penis enlargement garbage? Unless you're surfing porn sites, NO sites have those type of popups. Most ad networks don't even let that kind of stuff run on their networks, nor the sites on which they're run (at least the ones I use on my site do, and I would assume that Jeff would use the same type of adservers). I do not, nor will I ever, use a popup blocker. Despite this, I have *NEVER* in my LIFE gotten a popup for any type of porn, penis enlargement, or discount medication. Not from this site, not from those pay-to-surf deals that I tried when I was in highschool, not from anywhere. And just for the record, I've been online since 1993, thank you very much. (On a side note, I do receive the endless barrage of spam in my email box, bot not popups) *** Edited 12/16/2004 4:58:03 AM UTC by dannerman*** *** Edited 12/16/2004 5:02:54 AM UTC by dannerman***
How long you have been surfing the internet is irrelevant to what type of sites we each surf. Now, I do not look at porn or anything like that for the most part, but yes I see a lot of ads about medications, penis, enlargement, and other stupid things that I, nor a lot of other people really take interest in.
Also, Spam Email and Identity theft are other bad things that can come about when you shop online, or sign up for a monthly newsletter.
Is it right for a website (no I am not saying Coasterbuzz) to send info about their members to different adservers and ad companies so you can be harassed by them for who knows how long?
No it's not right.
Oh, and I compare blocking pop-ups to being on the No Call List. It just means that you don't want to be reached by annoying companies trying to get you to give them money or click on their ads.
Kyle Says: Diamondback was a lot of fun! Made his first time at Kings Island worth it all!
Rideman said:
Does that answer your question, Mr. Gonchar, as to why people might want to block pop-up ads?
LOL! You rock! Indeed, I see where you're coming from. :)
blocking popups is nothing like a No Call List. Paying $20 for the ad-free version of the site is like a no call list, because you are "opting out" of the ads.
But, that screwed up my computer too, so I had to stop that.
Kyle Says: Diamondback was a lot of fun! Made his first time at Kings Island worth it all!
Kyle Fobe said:
Oh, and I compare blocking pop-ups to being on the No Call List. It just means that you don't want to be reached by annoying companies trying to get you to give them money or click on their ads.
That's not really the same, though. Are you gaining content from someone while putting yourself on said Do-Not-Call list? No. And anyone who might call you that you ARE gaining (or have gained) something from, CAN call you.
That's right. The Do-Not-Call list does not apply in MANY circumstances, including "anyone you do business with". I'm a Sprint PCS customer. Sprint is free to call me even though I'm on the national and State of PA No-Call lists. I can request (and in fact have done so) to be put on SPRINT'S No-Call list, but even that isn't the same as blocking a popup since I'm a paying customer.
*** Edited 12/16/2004 3:59:34 PM UTC by GregLeg***
--Greg
"You seem healthy. So much for voodoo."
dannerman said:
freakylick, I said if the shoe fits, wear it. Not if the shoe fits, deny it. ;)
I know what you said. The key word in your statement was "If". Since I have never claimed to be for pop-up blockers, then the proverbial shoe can not be placed on my foot.
Now excuse me while I go steal some money from some hard-working musicians by burning some cd's.
Don't you think any advertiser would just *love* to magically avoid spending the effort required to blast an advertising message to someone who is known to have absolutely no interest in the product? If you were a marketer, and you knew exactly who might be interested in your product, wouldn't you attempt to get your message to those specific people?
Not that it has a whole lot to do with this discussion, but since it came up... :)
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
freakylick said:
I know what you said. The key word in your statement was "If". Since I have never claimed to be for pop-up blockers, then the proverbial shoe can not be placed on my foot.
*sigh*.. I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit - notice the wink.
Seems you were only trying to lighten the mood for certain people or you have a very bad sense of what it takes to lighten a mood. Ignorance perhaps? ;-)
Closed topic.
