Onride video coming to PKD

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:44 PM
...kicking off with Taxi Jam of all things. :)

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Just saw that on Screamscape.

Pretty interesting with both onboard on offboard camera being used.

In a few years, we just may be seeing this all over. At the least it may put an end to the whole "unauthorized POV" debate. POV's could become a dime a dozen like on-ride pics are now.

EDIT - just read the article more thoroughly (specifically the details of the system) and was amused at how many of the features are things we've discussed, suggested and dreamed up around here over the past few years. (e-mail ability, self serve kiosks, etc.)

*** Edited 7/12/2005 7:54:06 PM UTC by Lord Gonchar***

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:26 PM
WOW! I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR TAXI JAM POV FOR YEARS, AND ROBB, JONATHAN, AND HOMEYG STILL AREN'T UP ON THIS! AMAZING!!@!@!!111!2@ONE!

;)

Actually, when it moves onto other, larger rides, I have a feeling that parks that do have this system will most definitly not allow POV of any kind, and some people well end up having to pay up to have POV, since there will be no grey area of its acceptance or not. Money speaks louder than safety.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:47 PM
If an on-ride still photo costs $8-10 (or even more), I wonder how much a DVD of your ride will cost...
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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:51 PM
The article calls the price, "comparable to digital photography"

I'd assume the idea is to keep it close enough that the photo seems overpriced and over time still photos get phased out.

Then again, why not let them co-exist and maintain 2 streams of revenue.

Who knows?

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:51 PM
Probably 29.99, considering that a regular DVD is about 19.99. And you can get a print of a picture for about 50 cents. They added 10 dollars to that 50 cents and chardge you 10 dollars for the pic. Just a guess ofcourse.

-Colin-

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:54 PM
To print a DVD it costs less than $.50.
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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:56 PM
Yeah, but they still charge you that 19.99 for a DVD at the store.
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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:11 PM
To go back to my earlier assumptions...

If a photo at the park runs $10, I'd expect the DVD to be in the $12-$14 range. Just enough to make the upsell.

"Gee this photo is $10, but for just $3 more we can get a DVD showing us ride"

There's no way these will even cost $20 because if they do, it's going to die quick.

(just my thoughts, not based in any fact)

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:19 PM
Ok yeah, I was wrong, I totally forgot that were going to watch a 4 minute clip and not going to be watching an Hour and a Half movie, so yeah Gonch that does make a lot of sence.

-Colin-

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:21 PM
I knew this day would come ever since my friend mentioned it last year.

I don't want to be videotaped while riding. Really, I don't.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:24 PM
I know what you mean. People make the weirdest faces while riding. You look all disformed. I'd rather have a good POV of the actual ride itself anyday.
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Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:37 PM
Corkscrew I get your point. If they do acually start doing this, do you think that they will do it like pictures, were it show's on the screen for about 2 minutes, with a code, then moves to the next picture? And if you decide you want it you give them your number.

-Colin-

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:23 AM
I hope that they offer a way to opt out of videoing me, like a button I can push that covers the camera lens or something. If not, I will figure out a way to cover up at least the lens pointing directly at my face. Maybe a small square of lightweight fabric with some duct tape attached to it's corners would work.

I am serious...I DO NOT WANT TO BE VIDEOTAPED!

...Not because I am shy, or that I think that I'm ugly. I don't want to be recorded simply because I can't be assured that people I do not know will see it. I do not give permission to the park to videotape my likeness for whatever reason, and that should be enough. Recording a crowd that I just happen to be in is okay, because I am not the focus.

It's just creepy...

...I am getting out my scissors and tape right now. :)

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:33 AM

I do not give permission to the park to videotape my likeness for whatever reason, and that should be enough.

Actually you do. It says it on season passes and tickets for most parks.

(for example I have my SF pass in front of me by coincidence - it reads in part: "The bearer of this pass grants Six Flags the right to film, videotape or photograph the bearer for any purpose whatsoever without any payment")

They're taking your pictures for all to see on many rides already. Is video really that different?

EDIT - still can't type :)

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:18 AM
I see what you are saying and I thought the same thing, Gonch, but why would CP, for instance, have guests sign a contract and possibly pay them a little cash to film them as main subjects on a ride? I don't know the laws on this issue, but I would hope that there would be something in the lawbooks stating that occupying someones property doesn't give the property owners the right to include you as the main subject of whatever movie they want to make, for whatever reason, without permission or compensation.

No one is allowed to film me taking a pee without my permission, even if I am using their restroom, right? I hope not!

What would stop PKD from using the onride video footage of some kid they found appealing on Taxi Jam in one of their TV adverts long after the kid and his gardians left the park? Hopefully it would be illegal to do such a thing.

Using very carefully the "pervert" approach, what's to say someone who works at the park can't take home and watch these videos of the little tykes in the privacy of their own bedroom?

Whose to say that I have been stalked many times by many different people and I do not feel comfortable being the subject of a coaster film?

What if a celeberty wanted to ride a coaster with his/her family, but couldn't because he/she didn't want the onride video footage ,that he's being forced to accept being the subject of, to be sold to the media?

I know that Hersheypark offers a DVD of your ride on their rapids water ride, and in a way i don't feel as uncomfortable with that mostely because the camera is not pointed directly at my face. I wont even go into the half-neckedness associated with a lot of water rides like this one, or that a lot of the people on the ride are kids.

I am now cutting squares of cloth...

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:17 AM
Hershey stopped offering that on ride video of the Rapids this year. I guess they weren't selling enough of them. Now I believe they just have an on ride photo.

I think onride video could be a cool thing depending on how its done. If they work it like Gonch stated it should be pretty succussful. On ride photos are usually what I purchase when I am visiting a new park. I'd spend a few more to have an on ride video.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:59 AM
But Dexter, you are missing the point, by buying the ticket you *have* given your permission. If you dont want to be taped you have the option to *not go*.

I'd be careful about your swath cutting as defacing private property is a crime in most (if not all) areas.

lata, jeremy

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:06 AM
And they (the park) aren't given 'all mighty power' over the footage. They're still governed by what they can do. I'd think parts of that are an implied contract, maybe Torgo or Inci can comment more on the legal aspects for me?
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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:27 PM
Sounds pretty cut and dry to me. (granted, you can fight/argue anything) but:

"The bearer of this pass grants Six Flags the right to film, videotape or photograph the bearer for any purpose whatsoever without any payment"

By entering the park, you've given permission for them to film you for any purpose whatsoever without any payment.

I don't have my Dorney passes near me, I'd like to see what it says. I'll get back with that info.


I see what you are saying and I thought the same thing, Gonch, but why would CP, for instance, have guests sign a contract and possibly pay them a little cash to film them as main subjects on a ride?

Because they're specifically doing a shoot and asking for help from folks to make a commercial. You're a hired hand in that case. I don't think there is technically anything stopping them (aside from the chaos it would create) from setting up some cameras during regular operating hours and getting footage for a commercial assuming their policy is worded like SF's.


I don't know the laws on this issue, but I would hope that there would be something in the lawbooks stating that occupying someones property doesn't give the property owners the right to include you as the main subject of whatever movie they want to make, for whatever reason, without permission or compensation.

Just the opposite actually. You can be filmed for non-commercial purposes in any publically accessable/viewable area. There are video cameras everywhere now. Stores, streets, parks, etc. You're videotaped so many times a day already that the numbers are mind boggling.


What would stop PKD from using the onride video footage of some kid they found appealing on Taxi Jam in one of their TV adverts long after the kid and his gardians left the park?

Nothing. And that's exactly what lines like the one on the SF pass cover.


Using very carefully the "pervert" approach, what's to say someone who works at the park can't take home and watch these videos of the little tykes in the privacy of their own bedroom?

Just general consciousness and employer enforcement. What's to stop some guy at Wal-Mart from taking their security tapes home?


Whose to say that I have been stalked many times by many different people and I do not feel comfortable being the subject of a coaster film?

Then you do not get filmed on a coaster - which in the case of PKD's Taxi Jam means you don't ride it. It's not the park's job to protect you from your own personal situations, it's yours. Don't go into anything that makes you uncomfortable.


What if a celeberty wanted to ride a coaster with his/her family, but couldn't because he/she didn't want the onride video footage ,that he's being forced to accept being the subject of, to be sold to the media?

I'm sure if that was the case, the celebrity would get super ass-kissed and the system would be turned off. Still don't see much difference between the video and a silly photo from an on-ride being leaked.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:57 PM
I'm sure they will have a way to keep other people and park employees from buying your dvd. Maybe you will recieve some code for your seat and when the ride is over, you go to the purchasing station, enter your code, get the dvd, and leave. The footage will be erased when the next train gets back into the station anyway. I just don't see the big deal. Their just not going to install this stuff and let it run rampant. I think it is an awsome idea.
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