No Way!

You guys total missed the part where I said IMO. That is why this is just my opinion because obviously the 50 million other disney visitors feel totally different then I.

Tekno you are totally right, I haven't rode EE and I'm jumping to conclusions based on looks. IMO (again) going by looks alone it looks just like any other Disney ride Grand wrapping paper with an OK present.

You guys might find Disney rides great with or without the theme........ I don't like them either or. I am not trying to force anyone else not to like them, hell if you like them cool just don't try and force me too because I don't. It has nothing to do with Disney doesn't build extreme rollercoaster or anything like that. I just find Disney rides to be false because they look great on the outside but the rides just don't do it for me. I grew up less then 10mins from Disney heck I still live 10 mins from Disneyland and even as a young kid i didn't like the place. This is why we are all indivuals and all have are own opinions. So there is no reason to get nasty because I don't agree Disney is all that.

Dear everyone who says that teenagers are thrill seekers who don't give a damn about themed rides,

your retarded.

Yes, you read that right.

I know I'm not the only person who as a teenager much perfered say, EPCOT and the other WDW parks over Cedar Point or any Six Flags park. In fact, it would take me all my fingers AND my toes back in high school to count the people that I knew who felt the same.

There's a time for thrill seeking and there's a time for ride experiences. You ever notice that Disney calls their rides "attractions?" That is because there's more to an experience at a Disney park than just a ride. It's an atmosphere, it's theming, and it's something fun. It's an escape from reality.

A thrill ride park has its place and a park like any Disney park has its place. Just don't start sorting people into absolutes one way or the other just because you are.

Sincerely,

Me

And what high school was that ............pixie dust lol j/k Darling :O)

I have to say, during my teenage years, I still would have enjoyed Disney very much. I always wanted to go, and hope to go soon. I may not have been the 'target' demographic as a teen, but I was still interested. Now that I am more of the 'Target', I still really, really want to go.

However, Danny-o said 'Thrill Seeking 16 year olds', John, so He's exempted himself ;).

If Disney was not playing [some of] their cards right they would not be in business. I think that's about the end of the dispute here.

I think Disney is a cool place to go for a couple times during your childhood, or as a teen. I mean everyone always says "I'm going to Disney World" when they win money.

For me, I don't know what it was that ruined the experience.

I remember having a great trip in 4th grade (I'm in 11th now). We went for 5 days, stayed at the Coronado Springs, which was GREAT, and I loved the waterslide. That was the best Disney Vacation I've ever had. We hit nearly every park and had a great time.

Since then I've been a few times with my relatives which wasn't as fun because they are the Magic Kingdom type family who'd spend a week there. I ended up getting my day at both IOA and SeaWorld in which were the highlights of the trip, but after doing those, waiting for any ride at Magic Kingdom seemed dumb.

I had so much fun that day at SeaWorld. I rode Kraken at least 10 times, there was 2 train operation, no line,and the ride was flying. I enjoyed the rest of the park but that made my day and my vacation.

I still have better memories of riding on my first coaster, Viper, at SFDL. I remember waiting out in front of the huge line in front of it back in 1993 or 1994. Believe it or not I still remember what the person looked like who was in the train ahead of me. I loved it and that's what got me hooked so that ride is very special to me. Disney just has never been special for me. I've always thought of it as hot days with long lines and expensive prices.

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westcoaster man said:
And what high school was that ............pixie dust lol j/k Darling :O)

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Why do you choose to insult me like that? Is it because I enjoy Disney parks?

Joking or not that was completely idiotic.

My my the sensativity ,I guess, my guess on the high school musta been correct lmao.

All joking aside Sorry you didn't find some humor in my lame joke. It was just a joke and I didn't mean anything personal by it.

I went to MGM two years ago and ToT was so worth my $55. IOA was the previous day and I thought it was great, but nothing beat the theming that Disney created for that ride. It makes the ride an experience.

I'm beginning to think RoS is one of those people that would much rather complain about parks than enjoy them.

You don't like Disney.
You don't like Darien Lake because they don't add anything.

What parks do you like? Not being rude, I'd really like to know. Oh, Cedar Point. Yeah, I like it too, but I'd much rather spend a day at Geauga Lake, Kennywood, Dollywood, Disneyland Resort, and Knott's.

Tekno, I know we argue about alot of things, especially SFDL ;), but here's the facts.

I don't hate Disney. I just think that it's over priced for what you get. The rides are well themed and definately have a good 'experience' but alot of them aren't worth the hype. I've had some good trips to Disney, Blizzard Beach is a blast, and MGM has some great thrill rides. It's an amazing place to go because it's so different than your typical amusement park. But personally, I'd much rather go to a regular park. To tell you the honest truth, I'd rather go to Darien Lake for a day than Magic Kindgom because I enjoy the rides and generally it's not crowded.

Yes I love CP because they seem to do everything the way I would if I ran the place. I also have alot of fun at parks such as Seabreeze and Martin's Fantasy Island. Both have some great coasters, like Whirlwind, the spinning coaster at Seabreeze. Seabreeze also has an awesome waterpark. I just like that kind of experience more than Disney, that's all.

O've never been to Geauga Lake or Kennywood but I'm sure those would be my type of park. My main problem with Darien Lake is the way they operate it, the unfriendly workers. For somereason I feel that a new coaster or thrill ride would help dampen the negative affect that those problems have on the park. I had a great trip almost two weeks ago to Darien Lake and had a blast, so yes it is possible to have fun there ;) . I'm heading to Hershey in a couple weeks and can't wait.

Guys, I apoligize for arguing so much this is just my opinion on Disney. I really don't mean to be a pain in the ass. *** Edited 7/18/2005 4:47:04 PM UTC by Ride of Steel***

I think Disney bites, too.

Playette's not a ride person (okay, formerly wasn't--but she'll do coasters without OTSRs) and couldn't stand it either. Neither of us have set foot in the park since a Florida trip where we visited USF one day, MK the next, looked at each other and said, "They GOTTA be kidding!"

Next trip, she set one foot into IOA and immediately started squealing like an ecstatic three-year old. Hadn't boarded a single ride, didn't even know where she was going yet. Just...started....squealing.

That having been said--I still don't knock anything Disney does. It may not be my cuppa tea, but it sure as hell works. They invented the resort destination model and rake in the bucks like you don't even wanna know. If CP can justify $25 million with five hotels and a campground, $100 million from WDW is...dare I say it? Taking it easy!

- 'Playa

Playa I guess you are right, to have all that money they must have been, and are, doing something right.

I guess I'm like you, it isn't my cup of tea.

Perfectly said.

It may not be your cup of tea, but Disney parks take up the top five slots for US park attendance. Are we really in a place to say a new ride that costs $100 million is a bad decision?

Whether it is a good decision or not will probably only be known in hindsight---will it generate the ridership long-term to make its ROI clear. But, with all of those expensive (relative to similar offsite properties) resorts, the leverage that a good attraction has at WDW for generating returns is huge. Given Disney's penchant for building roller coasters that most everyone is willing to ride, I'd say they've got a good bet.

It's up for grabs whether Mission:Space's $100M was a good idea; it opened very strong a few years ago, but it's a distant third in Epcot these days to Test Track and Soarin'. This is an interesting case, because M:S is probably the most intense thrill ride at WDW, but it seems to be one of the least successful of the set (TT, Soarin, ToT, RnRC, Space, Thunder, and Splash I suspect all generate higher ridership numbers.) In other words, I think they overshot their audience with M:S.

Indy's $40-$100M (depding on the source) at Disneyland was clearly worth it after reading that UCLA B-school report a few weeks back; they took a substantial chunk of the market away from the other Southern California parks with the installation of that single attraction, and that gap has persisted for ten years.

For the record, I like the Disney parks. If CP and Disneyland were next door to one another, I'd probably split my time between them. Somedays I need speed, other days I need immersion. It's all good.

I think the Indiana Jones Adventure is a fantastic example of why Disney rides often 'work' as well as they do.

Indy is the same as Dinosaur. We all *must* know this by now. Dinosaur is, by most accounts, a lackluster experience -- especially when compared to Indy. It's dark, boring, and not all too exciting.

Nobody's running around going, "Hey, remember that bumpy part!?"

Indy has superb theming throughout. It is the penultimate Disney experience; layered, deep, accessible and repeatable.

If Disney can outdo even itself in a circumstance like this, it's no wonder that even 'mediocre' rides are more fun to most than even the most thrilling things anyone else can bring to the table.

If Cedar Fair and Disney each built the same ride -- Raptor, for argument's sake -- does anyone doubt that Disney would end up with the superior product by leaps and bounds after everything is said and done?

Why, then, is it so hard to imagine that the same treatment they'd give Raptor can make even a mediocre ride more exciting and interesting?

The only thing i understand is that Disney has a tone of money and that place rakes in more money then any other park could ever imagine having think about it. That is nothing to them. Hell they probably pay Eisner that in a year.

Michael Eisner's salary in 2004 was $1M. He also received a bonus of $7.25M.

I agree with NUMB, and others on here. IOA was well worth my money, and that was before MUMMY'S REVENGE came about. IOA was great...more of a thrillseekers paradise with good themeing, but great anyway.

While with WDW there is no comparison when it comes to the "whole" experience. Sometimes they're not as thrilling as other parks, but they concentrate on the entire families experience. They're not a thrillpark like CP or SFMM. You'll never see a giga at WDW, it would break they're multi-successful mold. They spend the money on making the experience more asthetically pleasing , but keeping it friendly to most of the family.

I never have forgotten Tower Of Tower, and that blows me away based on the fact that I usually don't store much in my memory that isn't a coaster. From the ride itself, to the themeing, to the cast members, (not employees...that guy that led us into the elevator creeped me out...he lived his role!).

I still maintain that it's not my first choice for a place to go, I'm still more about the coasters. But Disney makes excellent use of their money, and it almost always pays off huge for them in the end. And because I have younger children I'll go back again and again, because Disney makes their dreams come true, and brings their favorite movies/shows to life. And they understand familes like thrills too. Look at what's been happening at their parks over the past 10 years alone.

Disney CAN, and does, invest like no one else in the business....that being said, typically they end up with (you guessed it) good RETURN on thier investment.

(Offer not necessarily valid on Mission:Space ;))