No more Lap bars.

Sunday, December 5, 2004 8:16 PM
In 2005, Kingda Ka will be the tallest and fastest roller coaster in the world. This is not much faster or higher than Top Thrill Dragster. So seeing how KK is going to have OTSR's, does this mean that TTD is going to be the highest coaster with lapbars? I like not having OTSRs....
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Sunday, December 5, 2004 8:19 PM
Well... there are no other coasters being build with just lap bars... so the answer is of course yes.
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Sunday, December 5, 2004 8:19 PM
yup.

I still like relating a rocket coaster with drag racing much better than some kind of jungle theme. Whatever..

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Sunday, December 5, 2004 8:34 PM
Im sure that Cedar Point will pass on the marketing of "The World's Tallest, Fastest, Intamin Rocekt Coaster with Lapbars!". I don't think that would be too effective lol
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Sunday, December 5, 2004 8:37 PM
You have to understand that had Kingda Ka been purchased by another park chain, it might have still had lapbars. It was stated that the decision was made over the course of a week in meetings between Six Flags execs and Intamin. The incident on Superman most definately prompted the change, and we all know that. Had someone like Paramount (yea right....) purchased the ride, they might have realized that the restraint wasn't the full cause of the problem, and accepted the newer Intamin lapbar style on the ride. Six Flags is just trying to cover their arses after the SROS accident. I don't think we will stop seeing lapbars on coasters, especially since the Premier Spaghetti bowls have proven them to be completely safe. *** Edited 12/6/2004 1:39:17 AM UTC by RollrCoastrCrazy***
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Sunday, December 5, 2004 8:38 PM
I agree with you Ride of Steel. I don't see how a jungle theme can be that exciting.

The faster coasters go and the higher they get the less of a difference 36 feet is and 8 miles per hour becomes.

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Sunday, December 5, 2004 8:41 PM
Lapbars are why I like rides like Mind Bender so much :) *** Edited 12/6/2004 1:42:08 AM UTC by RamblinWreck***
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Sunday, December 5, 2004 11:07 PM

GIGAFORCE01 said:
I agree with you Ride of Steel. I don't see how a jungle theme can be that exciting.

The faster coasters go and the higher they get the less of a difference 36 feet is and 8 miles per hour becomes.


You werent complaining when Cedar Point beat STE by 5 feet. Lets face it, the only reason your upset is because the record has been taken from your precious Cedar Point. Matt

ps. to the roof top shout it out

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Sunday, December 5, 2004 11:19 PM
Speculation here...

There are two reasons that Kingda Ka won't have lap bars:
1) Six Flags, particularly given their experience with the Supermen

2) New Jersey

Further speculation on my part:

"Kingda Ka will start hurting riders on its first day of operation."


As much as I hate seeing people get hurt on rides, if the ride action on Kingda Ka's first drop is the same as the ride action on Top Thrill Dragster's first drop, that thing is going to provide some sore necks in its first few days of operation.

In a way, that might not be such a bad thing. The shoulder bar design used on Storm Runner and on Kingda Ka is a good one, or at least would be a good one if it didn't have the shoulder bar on it. A few nasty bruises and a bunch of complaints on Kingda Ka might prompt them to try yanking the yoke off and going with just the new lap bar design.....

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 12:59 AM
OtSR are you sure!! THATS GONNA SUCK!! BOOOO BOOOO BOOOO BOOO BOOO they ruined Storm Runner with those restraints!! BOO BOO
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Monday, December 6, 2004 1:04 AM
I haven't ridden Storm Runner yet, but Im interested as to how much the OTSR's actually affect the ride, becuase that was one of the few things that I loved about TTD, the open-air feeling due to the lack of shoulder restraints.
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Monday, December 6, 2004 1:25 AM

RollrCoastrCrazy said:
You have to understand that had Kingda Ka been purchased by another park chain, it might have still had lapbars. It was stated that the decision was made over the course of a week in meetings between Six Flags execs and Intamin.

Stated by whom? Although the Superman incident may have had some influence, it was not the reason for OTSR's.

Personally, I think the theme of Kingda Ka is far more creative than Top Thrill Dragster's. Additionally, judging from the concept artwork, I think it's a far more attractive ride.

-Nate (who thinks the restraints on Storm Runner were completely fine)
*** Edited 12/6/2004 6:26:03 AM UTC by coasterdude318***

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Monday, December 6, 2004 1:33 AM

ScAnKiNRaB said:

GIGAFORCE01 said:
I agree with you Ride of Steel. I don't see how a jungle theme can be that exciting.

The faster coasters go and the higher they get the less of a difference 36 feet is and 8 miles per hour becomes.


You werent complaining when Cedar Point beat STE by 5 feet. Lets face it, the only reason your upset is because the record has been taken from your precious Cedar Point. Matt


Not quite. At full speed S:TE only ascends and drops about 320 feet. In normal operation, it barely cracks a 300 ft vertical difference. 100 feet worth of drop more is quite different from 5 feet.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 2:09 AM
Dave, I think being in NJ has more to do with it than most people might otherwise think....

The *Superman thing* might have impacted it too, but really the seat/lapbar design changes have provided more than adequate safety...not that the rides were *unsafe* before, given posted ridership requirements are adhered to....but that's another story....

I know the restraint checking policies on Tsunami were *out of hand*, rivalled ONLY by Gwazi...:(

My point: NJ, like NY, CA are a little insane about litigation...ok, maybe more than a little...;)

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Monday, December 6, 2004 2:31 AM
I didn't mind the OTSR's on Storm Runner at all. I still thought the ride had (and gave) and ton of air and it wasn't uncomfortable - to me, at least.

I'm not that hung up on the whole lap bar vs OTSR thing - I've still ridden relatively few rides that were truly painful or very uncomfortable because of the restraints in use.

As for the OTSR's on Kingda Ka, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 2:38 AM

Peabody said:


Not quite. At full speed S:TE only ascends and drops about 320 feet. In normal operation, it barely cracks a 300 ft vertical difference. 100 feet worth of drop more is quite different from 5 feet.


Yes I know, ive ridden it before. When a question is asked on this fourm a majority of people will direct that person to RCDB. This website says it all. http://www.rcdb.com/recordholders.htm

Great Adventure didnt go for a measily 5 feet taller. We have 36 more feet then TTD. :)

Matt

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Monday, December 6, 2004 9:37 AM
The changes in the car, seat, and lap bar between Superman:ROS and Millennium Force are more than adequate to prevent rider ejection.

The changes between Millennium Force and Top Thrill Dragster are even more significant, and do, in fact, solve the problem.

But to the average person, the seats and lap bars on Superman: Ride of Steel and on Top Thrill Dragster are exactly the same. They look about the same, they must work the same, right?

Have a look at the second page of the Kingda Ka fact sheet. You think the memory of the Superman incidents didn't figure into that copy?

Incidentally, I found the setup on Storm Runner to be quite unpleasant. As with all of Intamin's shoulder bars, there isn't enough room for the shoulders and upper chest...so the lap bar doesn't come down far enough to be effective, so I was getting unpleasantly bounced around in the seat. I got off with a sore neck.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Monday, December 6, 2004 10:21 AM
LOL Dave, the "fact" sheet (propaganda menu?) also states 1400 peeps per hour....at GAdv??? ;)

Nonetheless, I'm also QUITE sure the RoS incidents were brought up, this IS an Intamin ride after all....and even though I'm ALL about rider responsibility, I *do* consider one fataility to be "significant"....

Lapbars are NOT gone for good, but they eventually WILL be *endangered*....

I hate insurance companies! :(

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Monday, December 6, 2004 11:24 AM
I see why SF is putting OtSR on Kingda Ka but they suck! In my opinion it did ruin Storm Runner(it wasn't that great to begin with anyways)

Of course they considered the S:RoS accident, plus in the views of the general public (non-enthusiats), people are more likely to ride b/c they'll feel safer-which sucks for us coaster lovers- more people- longer lines.

Does anyone know if they will include Kingda Ka on the SF Qbot?

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Monday, December 6, 2004 6:34 PM
It may have something to do with the huge bunny hill after it...

I like lap bars, however, if a ride is smooth (B&M/Intamin,) the shoulder restraints do not adversely impact my ride. It's just the head banging I can't stand.

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