No line jumping at Six Flags!
"Palwine, you're the only one pulling the race card in here, so maybe you should take a look at that. It's kind of ridiculous"
Well, please reread the entire thread. As for the race/discrimination issue, you might want to check in with Dexter, who said:
"I'm pretty tough looking (or so I've been told lol), so when I tell someone to not cut in front of me they almost always listen...except for thos 6 HUGE shirtless black guys at SFA around 2002. Wow, each one of them were as big as Two of me easily, and I didn't even look at them because i feared they would break me in half. lol."
and Sixflagskingdaka:
"the problem at most parks is the wimpy white people that get intimidated when people don't act white.... PERIOD"
My word. I apologize for starting this thread. It was supposed to be a spoof on all of the "new" changes at six flags. I was trying to use a little sarcasm and humor to point out that six flags can say all they want, but saying and doing are completely different things. For example- six flags and every other park already has policies on line jumpers. They have been around since the beginning of time. There is still line jumping, and they even created q-bots to allow people to line jump for a price. Now, six flags is jumping on the "no smoking" band wagon. Will they enforce it? Well, there is another thread on that subject. Perhaps they can create an area where smokers can pay to smoke. But, they can't bring in their own cigarettes, they must buy them inside the special smokers area. Just more humor.
For your information, I have read and re-read the entire thread a multitude of times, and I still stand by my original statement. You are the only one who is turning this into a racial discussion. Perhaps you enjoy heated debates?
As I have said before, everyone has valid points in this new Six Flags "BS" that's been happening since the Snyder takeover, and I appreciate your sarcasm about the website, however I disagree that people will be putting their life in danger whatsoever.
-Josh
And the line jumping thing? Exactly the same. I've seen physical fights over it. How exactly are you going to sue someone out of 10,000 or more people who were at the park that day? The person/s who hit you will just take off, they could be a minor and that'll be it. It's not worth the risk to start something. I don't care how big you are.
Trust me, I've had to modify this in my own life. I had a serious road rage incident happen last year that scared me enough to realize their are serious potential implications to my actions. Since then, I've really mellowed out. If you wan't to get one car-length ahead of me, so be it. I'd rather have a intact car and body then be "right." The same applies to the amusement park. It's just not worth the risk.
Scenario 1 - Line cutter punches park employee who catches him cutting line, park employee then fall backwards and hits hits head on railing or ground, brain hemorrage occurs, the person that fell dies.
Scenario 2 - Line cutter punches park employee who catches him cutting line, park employee then fall backwards and hits hits head on railing or ground, brain hemorrage occurs, the person that fell has brain damage. He says and wins case, but is now brain damaged.
Sorry, but I don't want to be the park employee in either case.
Will this happen with every fight, no. Is it plausible, yes.
SixFlagsKingdaKa said:
the problem at most parks is the wimpy white people that get intimidated when people don't act white.... PERIOD
I think people get intimidated when others don't act like civilized courteous human beings. What does that have to do with race? Why are you associating intimidation with minorities?
I've seen plenty of punks of any race attempt to intimidate someone else in line just to look cool in front of friends. Personally I don't put up with it!
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Raven-Phile said:
How exactly are they putting their life at risk if they tell someone to put out their cigarette? Line jumping usually happens in groups, so I can see that being a little nerve-racking, but still not life-threatening.You haven't heard of the 11 murders at SFKK when random people were shot because they asked someone to put out their cigarette?
Are you serious? Eleven people being murdered at SFKK? Um, yea...you're wrong. Not even one person has been murdered in our park. The worst case scenario that we had was a couple years ago when we had a few elderly people die during the summer of heat exhaustion, far from being eleven people murderd for being asked to put out their cigarette. So yes, I haven't heard of that at all. If you could show me some sources and prove me wrong, I'll love that. Thank you.
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Raven-Phile said:
How exactly are they putting their life at risk if they tell someone to put out their cigarette? Line jumping usually happens in groups, so I can see that being a little nerve-racking, but still not life-threatening.You haven't heard of the 11 murders at SFKK when random people were shot because they asked someone to put out their cigarette?
That's just 'cause it's Kentucky. Hell, I've been shot at 6 times at SFKK... And all from employees! ;)
Seriously now...
I learned pretty quick during my time at CP and Great Adventure that it's all about how the you approach and treat people. In my experience, most of the time line jumpers try to talk their way out of it, but give up because they know they're wrong.
If someone treats a ride op like sh*t for line jumping, they should just back off, call security, and shut down the ride until the ass is escorted either out of line or the park. I've done that a few times, but rarely would anyone ever try to actually start something.
It's not your job as a park guest to stop line jumpers. I hate them too (and generally don't take my own advice...), but the park does not pay you to police the midways and the queues. You're more than welcome to tell an op or security, but getting in a fight over it is just stupid for you and the line jumper. And yes, I've seen it before... (at CP no less!)
Contrary to popular belief... Great Adventure wasn't that bad. Never had I ever had anyone physically threaten me when I was at Great Adventure... But at CP some dumbass punched me as his train was leaving the station for putting his lapbar too far down. (Those of you that actually know me should really get a kick out of that one.) Long story short, security was there within seconds (literally) and as he got off the ride they took him away.
As for smokers... They generally aren't a real problem. Obviously they don't like being told "no", but once again, it's all about how you approach and treat people... No matter if you like them or not.
Edit: ^ Brought up something I forgot about. I almost always have a camera on me, and if I see a line jumper (whether they get to me or not) I'll take some pictures of them and show an op or security. Sure it's kinda lame, but security can't use that old excuse for being lazy "I didn't see it so I can't enforce it" when it's right there in front of them. *** Edited 1/20/2006 10:39:34 PM UTC by rOLLocOASt***
Ajrides said:
Lets face it if someone cuts in front of you thats your fault for letting them. I don't care if you black, white or any other ethnic person I don't let any one cut in front of me. What they do behind me I don't care. If we have to fight I say lets do it. SFNE is my home park and most of the line cutting happens on SROS.I always tell people who whine about cutters to just not go to parks at all.
Dude, you are so hardcore it scares me (huge amounts of sarcasm). In 1999, my sister and I went to Great Adventure and were waiting in (on) line for the Chiller. We were in the outside queue when several teenagers jumped the line to join their friends who were in front of us. We exchanged a lot of words, but I was smart enough not to just drop it when they started to threaten to beat the crap out of me. First of all, I was the adult, they were minors, so punishment could've been lenient HAD they been caught.
Yeah, had I been as cool as you, I probably would've wound up in the hospital or worse. There were no employees around, so what could've I've done? And what about my sister? What if they had attacked her as well just for being with me (she kept quiet)? Now the situation gets really ugly.
Then you mentioned that you were ready to throw down with the line-jumpers. How old are you? Are ready to go to jail just because someone cuts in front of you? Are you ready to get your ass kicked by someone else (or a group of people), potentially ruining your day, season, or life? If you answered yes, then I would seriously re-evaluate your priorities.
I dunno what it is but when I got to Busch Williamburg,Disney,Universal, and Sea World. I never feel worried about line cutters or thugs or anything. I'm always free to just have a good time. Why is it different when I got to SF parks? It seems that SF parks are baby sitting places and a lot of lower income people come there. No offense to anyone that goes there but i believe its the crowd it drawls in. Perhaps thats why the ticket prices are being raised?
Thanks,
DMC
BSBMX said:
Are you serious? Eleven people being murdered at SFKK? Um, yea...you're wrong. Not even one person has been murdered in our park. The worst case scenario that we had was a couple years ago when we had a few elderly people die during the summer of heat exhaustion, far from being eleven people murderd for being asked to put out their cigarette. So yes, I haven't heard of that at all. If you could show me some sources and prove me wrong, I'll love that. Thank you.Ummmm....wow. And they let you operate rides?
I'd like to see the test you have to take to get in there. I think I have a pet turtle who may be qualified for the job....
PS. the murder thing was sarcasm/funny
-josh
I have seen line jumping EVERYWHERE. It's just some parks are more willing to crack down on it than others. I tend to see more of it near major cities, like LA or New York.
Usually, like people have mentioned here, it's some punk kids wanting to impress their friends. It makes you wonder where their parents are, or why they are having the parks "babysit" them in the first place.
I usually don't confront line jumpers as I don't think it's worth the aggravation. Usually they will tell you to f*** off anyway. It just makes you wonder WHY they feel the need to line jump or blow smoke in your face. Smoking is something that I don't have a problem with but for God's sake WAIT till you are out of line. Even when I smoked (years ago) I had enough respect to NOT do it in front of others. It's just nasty.
As far as line jumping, I saw A LOT of it at Waldameer last summer. It was my first visit to the park and the whole place was full of punk kids (a lot of them under 13) cutting in line/smoking without any regard for anyone else. The park had a TON of security, but it was kind of funny watching these kids try to evade them. There is nothing like seeing 10 year olds light up a cigarette. The park was a far cry from Conneaut, which we visited earlier that day. Conneaut's visitors were MUCH more respectful and laid back.
Waldameer was a nice little park but the line jumping was just crazy. I wouldn't say it was ran by gangs but gangster wannabe brats who have absolutely no respect for anyone else.
-Tina
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scubasteve673042 said:
If any park can enforce the no smoking in line and curtail line jumping my hands off to them, but it is an uphill battle...we have all seen or experienced it at some time or another.
You are absolutely right that it is an uphill battle. But lots of parks do very well with it. I was at Islands of Adventure when I saw a bunch of kids on a school trip that were line jumping be escorted out of the line by a security guard and told they were going to be escorted out of the park and they could not re-enter.
Almost all parks have some type of no line jumping policy. It is really a matter of enforcing the policy. As for people giving problems with line jumping, it should not be a ride op enforcing the line jumping policy, it should be a park security guard that enforces the policy. They are trained to take care of hostile people and situations like that. It can work if done properly.
When I discribe a person as black, which is rarely, it is a discription of the race and not implying anything negative.
In my comment about the group of very large black guys in tanktops who could break me, a pretty muscular man, in half, I was giving a reason as to not wanting to shout at them or make a scene.
I was not in any way trying to imply anything negative about people of color. A motely crue of big, scary goliaths is dangerous no mater what their race.
I have many friends who are black. I love them no differently than my white, asian, native americian, ect. friends...as brothers and sisters.
It takes a lot more than just being different than me to make me not like someone. Everyone is different than me.
You are still a sweetheart, though. :-) I was glad to finally meet you at PPP even though we didn't get to hang out much.
Anyway, Cedar Point is probably the best at enforcing the no smoking/no line-jumping policies. I have seen people (mostly teenagers) escorted out of the park many times.
Line jumping is a huge pet peeve of mine. I can almost compare it to someone parking in a handicapped spot who doesn't belong there.
-Tina
Someday we'll all be a nice shade of mocha...
But not at SFKK... just trying to bring it back on topic, LOL...;)
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