# New Inversion Idea

Saturday, September 8, 2001 8:16 PM
When I was in Math tthe other day I wrote out a two.  When I write two's I write them like cursice q's with little loop.  Anyways that would be a great in version.  It would create a front flip instead of a backflip.  Do you guys have ideas that would make a front flip?

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Saturday, September 8, 2001 8:22 PM
i thought of that yesterday sounds great . basicly a stanard loop fliped up side down
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Saturday, September 8, 2001 8:26 PM
How about just have an upside down loop???

picture that upside down!!!!

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Saturday, September 8, 2001 8:39 PM
Lets do it upside down with teh train on the outsdie of the track, now that would be cool.

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Saturday, September 8, 2001 8:46 PM
You cant go upside down on the outside of the track on a conventional coaster(sitdown, stand up, floorless, etc....)  The G Forces would be INCREDIBLY high, and let's say for some odd reason, it de-rails or something causes it to not make it back up the other side, then you have people hanging upside down at 180 degrees with only a shoulder harness holding them in.  Scary, huh?  I'm not saying it's not possible, but I don't think it'll be attempted for a LONG time.  Did that make sense?
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Saturday, September 8, 2001 8:50 PM
DDFire19 is absolutely correct.  It might be cool, but the g-forces would make you black out so quickly you wouldn't have the chance to appreciate it.  Might be fun for non-riders to watch, though...
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Saturday, September 8, 2001 8:57 PM
Most likely, it'll kill you.  Look at the tops of today's loops, they are really small.  Turn that upside down.  That would be NUTS!  Cause the smaller the radius of the curvature, the more/less* g forces are produced.

*That depends whether you are talking about the top of a loop/hill or the bottom of a loop/hill.

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Saturday, September 8, 2001 9:06 PM
DDFire, just click on "edit", then check the "delete post" box...
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Saturday, September 8, 2001 9:25 PM
Thanks gatorwoodie.  You guys should research Anton Schwartzkopf's fictional figure 8 loop.  It was never built because apparently it would have reached and excess of 6.5 g's!
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Saturday, September 8, 2001 9:59 PM
Hopefully new rides like flying coasters and 4-D's will open a new door for ddifferent inversions.  when it doesn't matter what side of the rail you're on, the possibilities are endless.
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Saturday, September 8, 2001 10:33 PM
Accually, a outside looping loop on a sitdown would not produce high Gs at all. It could possible kill you, but it would in no way cause a black out. It would cause a red out. It would produce massivly low Gs, be it looping high, as standard loops, or low, where you would enter the loop by diving down, intsead of up.

Be it a normal loop, you would enter it upside down, be at the top rightside up. The negative Gs would be strongest at the bottom, causing redout, which the human body cannot withstand even half the time as blackout.

If the loop was low, where you enter rightside up, and at the bottom you are upside down, negavite Gs would be the strongest at the bottom and the pull out (or would it be pull in because it's reversed?) Same as before, you would redout.

The only way I can see a outside looping loop on a standard above-the-track coaster would be to have some massive breaking before the loop, and something to pull you out or in (depending if it is a high or low loop). That would defeat the purpose of it, so why bother?

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Sunday, September 9, 2001 2:42 AM
Just ride a topspin..........
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Sunday, September 9, 2001 5:09 AM
Guys don't be so serious It was a joke, I should have put an LOL. I don't have a death wish or nothing, I do think it would work ona  4d though just be upside down for the inversion, the g forces would be no higher then on a standard inverted coaster.
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Sunday, September 9, 2001 7:51 AM

I have thought of a great inversion for an inverted coaster, I call it the "tumble." It is almost like a corkscrew. The difference is that the track starts to rise as if going into a small hill, it suddenly dives straight-downward and then into the side where the riders would be positioned up-side-down, before rising up again the opposite way it came down. Think of it as a corkscrew from a floorless/sitdown/ stand-up, but, flip it upside down for an invert and there you go, you have what I call a "tumble."
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Sunday, September 9, 2001 7:53 AM
*But a huge problem would be the G's from the whip, I'm not sure if it is possible with out giving you whiplash.
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Sunday, September 9, 2001 8:10 AM
Could this be a possible inversion for a 4-d or Flying------->&?

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Sunday, September 9, 2001 8:21 AM
Half Barrel Roll, Half Corkscrew. That would feel weird!
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Sunday, September 9, 2001 10:59 AM
An idea that I've been tossing around for a long time is something that I call the "Twisted S Curve". The first half of this element is a 180 degree curve that's banked at 90 degrees in the center, and continues banking out of the curve in the same direction that it started banking into it, instead of banking out in the opposite direction, as it would normally, so at the end of the first curve, the train is upside down instead of right side up, like it would normally be after exiting a curve. The second half of the element is another 180 degree curve that does the exact same thing, but curving in the opposite direction of the first curve, so at the end of the second curve, the train is right side up again. When viewed from above, it would look exactly like what I call it, a twisted "S" curve! I'm not sure if the lateral G's that it would create could be tolerated or not, but I sure would like to see it researched! It would probably be a head-banger, but it would also produce alot of negative G's while you were upside down, which sure would be sweet! Definitely not for the faint of heart, but it might be possible, especially if it was done on something like a Togo pipeline, but I'm not sure if that would work or not either. It's just an idea, so please don't jump all over me with a bunch of "IMPOSSIBLE!" comments, OK? I know it'll probably never be done, but I still like to fantasize about it anyway. Eventually I'll find a coaster sim that's capable of constructing it, and do some research of my own into it. It seems like it just might work, to me, although a few slight modifications may be necessary. What do y'all think?
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Sunday, September 9, 2001 11:03 AM
Where is a pic of Anton's figure 8 loop? I wanna see it.
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Sunday, September 9, 2001 12:44 PM
It used to be at www.coasterforce.com, but they got rid of it for some reason.  It basically did a half loop, twisted right side up, did a loop, twisted upside down again, and exited out doing a half loop.

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