New B&M's-Where's the Intensity?
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yes i never thought that a coaster could be so tame as nitro. my first thought as a i got off it the first time i rode it was "that was interesting" nitro seems to be too smooth and i think nitro would be much better in 10 years when it becomes a little rougher
Intamin Fan said:
"Talon & Nitro-the equivalent of easy listening music? Discuss.
B&M Builds what the parks want.....
If the parks want something highly frightening, I'm sure B&M could and would deliver! Today, with all these lawyers running wild parks are being highly careful how much oooompf they build into their coasters.
SAM
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Nuts For Coasters Since 1969 *** This post was edited by Sam A. Marks on 8/2/2001. ***
I never thought that Raging Bull was boring and non-intense, and thats also a B&M Hyper. Id think they would be almost alike.
The airtime on Nitro is fantastic. The only intense positive forces you feel are in the helix, but it wasn't designed for positive G's. It was designed for speed and negative G's. It still feel that B&M hypers deliver a more powerful ride than Intamin hypers, maybe just cause everything about them is bigger (trains, track gauge). I haven't ridden Talon yet, so I don't know what it's like. Of the B&M loopers I've ridden (Raptor, Mantis, Kumba, Medusa, BKF, and BTR), I thought the positive G's were outstanding, especially entering and exiting the loops. I find it hard to complain about any B&M coaster. They are the smoothest, best designed, most comfortable, and simply the best rides out there. They are as close to perfection as we are ever going to see. If you want to get jarred around, ride a woody, that's what they are for.
I am at a stalemate where that is concerned. I love Nitro's layout but Intamin hypers give such a rush, and they are just as smooth as B&M Hypers so I dunno.
I-Fan: Do you realize that I wasnt even home yet when you posted this? (I decided to actually drive *near* the speed limit :)).
Anyway, the jury is still out on the so-called *newer* B&M's. I still consider Raging Bull to be my favorite hyper and Kraken to be my favorite sitdown looper, but I feel that each of these lacks intensity (especially Kraken in light of Kumba).
And I'm not ready to completely swallow the "they build what parks want" reasoning. I cannot understand what SFI corporate would feel that a super intense S:ROS is good for the people of b-more/DC but that the people of philly/NYC need a tamer coaster. I *might* be able to swallow it in the case of HersheyPark and Great Bear, but GAdv and Nitro as opposed to SFA & S:ROS boggles the mind.
And intensity doesnt have to mean roughness. BTR and Fire Dragon are intense, but not rough. Kraken and Medusa are "floaty" the entire way through. I'm not a *strict* intensity junky though, so I appreciate coaster more for their layouts, which much have suprises. Which is why I currently think Raging Bull is better than S:ROS @ SFA. But I would really have prefered the RB layout engineered by Intamin....
lata,
jeremy
--BTW: I would say Nitro is more like soul and S:ROS like funk, both enjoyable, but one more "edgy" than the other. Easy listening would be like HPs Trailblazer, aka crap!
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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01
Anyway, the jury is still out on the so-called *newer* B&M's. I still consider Raging Bull to be my favorite hyper and Kraken to be my favorite sitdown looper, but I feel that each of these lacks intensity (especially Kraken in light of Kumba).
And I'm not ready to completely swallow the "they build what parks want" reasoning. I cannot understand what SFI corporate would feel that a super intense S:ROS is good for the people of b-more/DC but that the people of philly/NYC need a tamer coaster. I *might* be able to swallow it in the case of HersheyPark and Great Bear, but GAdv and Nitro as opposed to SFA & S:ROS boggles the mind.
And intensity doesnt have to mean roughness. BTR and Fire Dragon are intense, but not rough. Kraken and Medusa are "floaty" the entire way through. I'm not a *strict* intensity junky though, so I appreciate coaster more for their layouts, which much have suprises. Which is why I currently think Raging Bull is better than S:ROS @ SFA. But I would really have prefered the RB layout engineered by Intamin....
lata,
jeremy
--BTW: I would say Nitro is more like soul and S:ROS like funk, both enjoyable, but one more "edgy" than the other. Easy listening would be like HPs Trailblazer, aka crap!
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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01
Ok, maybe the easy listening analogy was bad, but it was late. I just want to know why Nitro in particular didn't thrill me like I expected. It's 230ft., 80mph, and I never felt like we were traveling at those speeds. I also couldn't find any airtime at all at the end in the bunnyhills. My memory of Apollo's Chariot was really good, so now I'm wondering if that'll seem tame also to me now. By the way Z-Man, my favorite part was the upward helix. I found Medusa (also at Great Adventure) to be way more intense, and it's much shorter. I do understand Sam's point though that they probably needed something a little milder considering some of the rough coasters they have there (Rolling Thunder, Viper, GASM).
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To put a different spin on it...
Perhaps B&M have been the ones to make the decision to lighten up the forces on their rides. If you opened two rides (Mantis and Montu) in the same year that later on needed major trim brakes added, wouldn't you be a bit cautious about how intense you make your rides?
Just food for thought...I honestly don't know why their rides seem to have less forces now.
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James Draeger
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"Legend is a wooden Jesus"
Perhaps B&M have been the ones to make the decision to lighten up the forces on their rides. If you opened two rides (Mantis and Montu) in the same year that later on needed major trim brakes added, wouldn't you be a bit cautious about how intense you make your rides?
Just food for thought...I honestly don't know why their rides seem to have less forces now.
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James Draeger
http://draegs.tripod.com/
"Legend is a wooden Jesus"
Hey Intamin Fan, did you sit in either row 7 or 8 and did you ride in the outer seats? Thats where I thought the ride was more intense.
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Dayuum, Your HOT!
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Dayuum, Your HOT!
although you didnt mention any of these coasters in your post about non intense B&Ms, fire dragon ice gragon Batman knight flight and kraken are all relatively new and they are all really intence. i would die to have FD, K or B:KF in my home park. Hulk which is also new is garbage.
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1.Fire Dragon, 2.Ice Dragon, 3.Raptor, 4.Kraken, 5.Batman Knight Flight
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1.Fire Dragon, 2.Ice Dragon, 3.Raptor, 4.Kraken, 5.Batman Knight Flight
Coasterr: He did sit in the last row, but in a middle seat (How do I know? I was right next to him :))
I agree that there was nothing extraordinarily intense about NITRO. The *most* intense spot was about halfway through the upward helix when we sat in row two. I got a slight tingle in the feet like on the helix on Raptor. But I disagree with the airtime. I felt every hill with a nice feathery float. However, there was no EJECTION, and because of the restraint system, your butt stays in contact with the seat, so you never get that *slam* back into the seat.
And ACEerCG, I'm more inclined to believe your theory.
jeremy
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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01
I agree that there was nothing extraordinarily intense about NITRO. The *most* intense spot was about halfway through the upward helix when we sat in row two. I got a slight tingle in the feet like on the helix on Raptor. But I disagree with the airtime. I felt every hill with a nice feathery float. However, there was no EJECTION, and because of the restraint system, your butt stays in contact with the seat, so you never get that *slam* back into the seat.
And ACEerCG, I'm more inclined to believe your theory.
jeremy
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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01
I think a lot of it has to do with vibration. Riding Superman @ SFA, you feel this... mechanical shimmy type thing along with a lot of noise. Riding Apollo's Chariot, it was just smooth as glass. I think having the vibrations gives you a more out of control, intense, kind of ride. I don't think that B&M are making their coasters any less intense, just smoother.
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Joshua Wilcox
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Joshua Wilcox
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2Hostyl said:
"Coasterr: He did sit in the last row, but in a middle seat (How do I know? I was right next to him :))"
Well, that was the problem right there..hahaha. Its better in the outer seats. The drops were alot more forceful in my eyes. I too, got alot of floating airtime on the bunny hops. I agree that Nitro isnt the most intense, but its VERY fun. Its two notches above Apollo and as far as Raging Bull, it blows it out of the water.
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Dayuum, Your HOT!
Not every coaster has to be intense to be fun! Example: Superman Krypton Coaster. Its not insanely intense as a Giovanola or Schwarzkopf, but it's very re-rideable and fun!
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I find that all the B&M's I have ridden are best when sitting in the outside seats, preferably in the front or back depending on the ride and personal preference. I have not riden Apollo's or Nitro yet, so I cannot comment on them directly, but Bull is pretty intense in those spots. And all of the inverts I have been on are pretty intense too. Only been on Medusa at GAd, as far as floorless, smooth not terribly intense but fun. Been on Hulk but no other standard looper from them, not rough intense, but i found it exciting. Will try Nitro later this year, and Apollo sometime...
But Coasterr: *I* was does the outside seat have to do with anything? Besides those two little diving hills (best parts of the ride), inside/outside should make no difference. Truth be told, the up and down bunny hills were weak compared to S:ROS.
Oh, and the only was one would think that Nitro "blows (Raging Bull) out of the water" is if they are an out and back fan. I, of course, am NOT!
jeremy
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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01
Oh, and the only was one would think that Nitro "blows (Raging Bull) out of the water" is if they are an out and back fan. I, of course, am NOT!
jeremy
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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01
2Hostyl said:
"But Coasterr: *I* was does the outside seat have to do with anything? Besides those two little diving hills (best parts of the ride), inside/outside should make no difference.
To me it did!!!
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Dayuum, Your HOT!
B&M's are the best coasters, I don't care what y'all say.
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Current Favorite Coasters:
1)Raging Bull 2)Millennium Force 3)Medusa (SFMW) 4)Vertical Velocity (SFGAm) 5)Incredible Hulk, The
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1)Raging Bull 2)Millennium Force 3)Medusa (SFMW) 4)Vertical Velocity (SFGAm) 5)Incredible Hulk, The
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