New Arrow Corkscrew?

Friday, August 26, 2016 2:18 AM

You'll have to excuse me if someone else posted about this...

I came across Lewa Adventure, a new-ish park in China. It looks to have some pretty interesting stuff including a Mack coaster with what appears to be the world's largest vertical loop. It also has this:

https://rcdb.com/12389.htm

It looks to be a new Arrow loop-screw except Arrow hasn't been around in years. It doesn't look to be the relocation of an older ride either. I'm assuming the company that built it (Beijing Shibaolai Amusement Equipment) purchased the rights to the design?

Anyone know anything about this?

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Friday, August 26, 2016 7:38 AM

Chinese ride manufacturers have been knocking off U.S. and European rides for years. I think they don't care about copyrights.

Who was it told me some company got kicked off the floor at IAAPA one year due to blatant copies?
Probably read it here...

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Friday, August 26, 2016 11:34 AM

At first I thought it might be a Meisho (similar track spine on the loop), but RCDB says the make is Beijing Shibaolai Amusement Equipment which is credited with 70 different coasters.

Last edited by Vater, Friday, August 26, 2016 11:35 AM
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Friday, August 26, 2016 3:46 PM

It was Golden Horse that got in trouble at IAAPA.

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Friday, August 26, 2016 4:58 PM

Ah, yes, I remember them. I also remember looking at their stuff and picking up as many brochures that I could, mainly for some laughs. The blatant copies were appalling, and it would take a lot of nerve to show up at an international trade show full of respected suppliers like that.

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Friday, August 26, 2016 5:21 PM

Rob Ascough said:

I'm assuming the company that built it (Beijing Shibaolai Amusement Equipment) purchased the rights to the design?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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Friday, August 26, 2016 5:22 PM

At least Arrow is long gone. They also have what appears to be an exact duplicate of the Zamperla motocoaster protoype like the one at Darien Lake. This one is also a Golden Horse https://rcdb.com/12643.htm

And they also have a Boomerang that was not manufactured by Vekoma

Last edited by bjames, Friday, August 26, 2016 5:24 PM
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Friday, August 26, 2016 5:32 PM

Oh my gosh, rcdb lists ten pages with 224 coasters credited to Golden Horse. I imagine a lot are kiddies, but still.

Guess they don't need no stinkin IAAPA.

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Friday, August 26, 2016 9:40 PM

RCMAC said:

Chinese ride manufacturers have been knocking off U.S. and European rides for years. I think they don't care about copyrights.

Who was it told me some company got kicked off the floor at IAAPA one year due to blatant copies?
Probably read it here...

Here's the relevant thread https://coasterbuzz.com/Forums/Topic/golden-horse-removed-from-iaapa

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Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:26 AM

RCMAC said:

Chinese ________ manufacturers have been knocking off U.S. and European _________ for years. I think they don't care about copyrights.

Fixed that for ya.

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Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:23 PM

And wasn't there just a very disturbing video posted about one of those Chinese knockoffs?

[edit] Okay, Indian, not Chinese... but still...

Last edited by Tommytheduck, Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:34 PM
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Saturday, August 27, 2016 3:00 PM

Yes, that Disk'O that wasn't really, and was so ashamed that it tried to roll off on its own.

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Saturday, August 27, 2016 3:07 PM

RCMAC said:

Yes, that Disk'O that wasn't really, and was so ashamed that it tried to roll off on its own.

You're confusing two countries with that one – the Disk'O accident was an Indian-built ride in India.

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Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:33 PM

Oops. You're right.
Carry on...

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Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:16 PM

Golden Horse even copied the old Arrow Arrowbatics model that was at IAAPA in the late 90s/early '00s that no one bought.

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Sunday, August 28, 2016 7:21 AM

If you think the rollercoasters are bad, their car knockoffs are even more egregious. One of the many reasons not one Chinese car Mfg'er can set foot in the US.

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Monday, August 29, 2016 4:37 PM

Well yeah, there's that Landwind knockoff of the Land Rover Evoque.

Maybe "purchased" isn't the right word but for anyone to copy anything, they have to get their hands on it, right? Doing that with a crossover is easy but how would one go about measuring something like an Arrow loopscrew? I doubt any park is going to allow someone to do that with something they own? In that case, how would one go about copying a design, and why something that's 40 years old?

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Monday, August 29, 2016 6:34 PM

Rob Ascough said:

Maybe "purchased" isn't the right word but for anyone to copy anything, they have to get their hands on it, right? Doing that with a crossover is easy but how would one go about measuring something like an Arrow loopscrew? I doubt any park is going to allow someone to do that with something they own? In that case, how would one go about copying a design, and why something that's 40 years old?

They probably didn't have exact measurements and gauged them best on publicly available data and photos. That's why they're knockoffs, and probably why they might be painful compared to the originals. I have no clue why they would want to copy the design of literally one of the first looping coasters to exist when there are so many better, more recent designs to copy.

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Monday, August 29, 2016 8:50 PM

I was party to a conversation recently between a representative of a respected manufacturer and a park, who were discussing if manufacturers had an obligation not to sell to parks who were buying knock offs.

In the example provided in this thread, this park has bought loads of knock offs from Golden Horse - but, they also bought a massive Mack ride that opened earlier this year.

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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:58 PM

YoshiFan said:

It was Golden Horse that got in trouble at IAAPA.

They must have kissed and made up. There's a Golden Horse ad in the latest issue of Funworld (IAAPA's trade publication).

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