My revisions for SFMM.

Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:49 PM
With the corporate change at Six Flags I thought I would share some ideas of a revitalization of SFMM if I bought it.

First the new name of the park: Magic Mountain Adventure Park

Old Entrance Plaza-Renamed Grand Old America.

Setting: a 1900's small town with an old fashioned cinema, candy store and a grand central-ish train staion where Flashback operates as the main terminal for the park's brand new perimeter-circling train.

New Rides: Only the new train

Ride Changes: Revolution would be retracked, trimmless and use only lap bars.

Baja Ridge/ Area 51

Baja Ridge would split from X's area.

Baja Ridge Setting: New adobe buildings would now line the pathway to Viper creating a mexican village with a restauraunt overlooking Viper's corkscrews as a town centerpiece.

Restaurant Changes: Panda Express would be demolished for a replica of a working mexican ranch.

Ride Changes: Viper would lose it's OTSRs for an Intamin style lap bar.

Area 51

Setting: Desert Airbase with electric fence and barbed wire surrounding the perimeter.

Changes: X's que would be totally enclosed with a new layout themed to a top-secret goverment laboratory.

Crystal Beach (Formely Psyclone Bay)

Setting: Old boardwalk along a newly dugout lake along Psyclone.

New Rides: Replication of a Chute the shoots into the new bay. Circle Swing, Pretzel darkride, wooden wild mouse.

Ride Removals: Deja Vu

Ride Changes: Psyclone would be repainted white and be retrofitted with 3-Bench PTCs. Renamed Crystal Beach Comet.

Samurai Summit

Setting: same, with more elaborate theming.

Ride Removals: Superman the Escape

New Rides: Terrain twister where Superman was. Named: Emperor.

Ride Changes: Ninja is repainted, retracked with the addition of a more climatic finale.

Gotham City Backlot & Area Around Riddler and Tidal Wave.

Combined together to form: America's Studios.

-Extended so Gold Rusher is now a part of this land.

Riddler & Batman: Renamed due to copyright.

Ride Removals: Tidal Wave

New Rides: Skydiver: a new ride using Superman's old tower to support the new drop ride. Titanic themed water coater to replace Tidal Wave using the award winning motion picture.

Ride Changes: Gold Rusher gets addition of Gold Mine themed portion on the entire gravity portion after Lift A. Batman Stunt Show is removed for a fire based stunt show.

Thats all for now. Any thoughts?

*** Edited 2/27/2006 4:57:43 AM UTC by Seanc***

Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:55 PM
You forgot to add the double dip back to Colossus and replace all the steel I-beam with wood. :)
Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:56 PM
Monday, February 27, 2006 12:09 AM
Hooray for unrealistic wishlists!
Monday, February 27, 2006 12:12 AM
In before close ;)
Monday, February 27, 2006 12:12 AM

Seanc said:

Ride Changes: Viper would lose it's OTSRs for an Intamin style lap bar.

Intamin lapbars don't tend to work very well on nonlooping coasters... let alone a 7 looper.

Monday, February 27, 2006 12:13 AM
/\ I think he probably meant Premier style lap bar. Intamin's lapbars have been documented as the reason riders were ejected from a coaster car or shoot-the-chute boat on multiple instances -- and those were on NON looping rides. ;)

However, there's a reason why Arrow multi-elements have horse-collar restraints...even a Premier lapbar wouldn't cut it.

EDIT: spelling and some grammar. *** Edited 2/27/2006 5:14:51 AM UTC by kRaXLeRidAh***

Monday, February 27, 2006 12:36 AM
Lets add those unbelievably happy, helpful, friendly, and efficient employees to the list as well. ;)

Have a nice day.

Monday, February 27, 2006 12:45 AM
Some of the stuff he said actually sounds great minus the technical things like restraints and Deja-vu's removal. Currently I think Superman is a great waste of space but that tower could be used for a great thrilling drop ride.

This is what I'd do if I bought that park......LOL....

I'd sell back the rides that are copies or reverse copies of other existing Six Flags coasters....Scream, Batman, and Deja-Vu as well. I hate that I just said that because I love Deja-vu!

I would remove Psyclone all together and eventually replace it with a Custom gravity group coaster that fit's in the same foot print.

Another coaster that would get the wrecking ball would be colosus, I really don't like that ride. With the cleared out space I'd give Goliath additional track to better utilize the incredible amount of unused speed before that mid course brake run. Mainly I'd give it more air time to satisfy it's critics but keep that positive G infused second half that I love so much.

I really like the idea of a Water coaster replacing tidal wave, I just wouldn't put it in tidal waves spot. I currently don't like the ride stacking. I'll put that water coaster where Batman currently is just heavily themed to something other than Titanic, I mean talk about a more depressing ride.

I'd do all these things if I had the type of funds that bill gates has.

Monday, February 27, 2006 1:30 AM
I would get rid of all the coasters and build go-kart tracks. Remember the awesome lines you could get with some go-karts back in RCT 1 & 2? With crappy capacity like that, they could irritate so many more guests.
Monday, February 27, 2006 6:25 AM
I don't think they are going to get rid of Superman anytime soon.
Monday, February 27, 2006 11:52 AM
I wonder if with the new "family friendly" SF if they would actually consider removing some coasters from parks that have alot of them (IE SFMM, SFGAd) and place them at some of the parks that have not recieved coasters in a while to bring things up to a more uniform look across the board. Imagine each SF park with about 8-10 coasters, and a few with like 12

Magic mike, you said remove all the clones of other coasters, you could easily place those in other parks and they would be thrilled. Happy on both ends

Monday, February 27, 2006 12:12 PM
Might be me, but I don't think anyone could extricate themselves from the Premier-style lapbars unless they were amputees....the shin-guard FORCES riders to maintain that critical "Z-position" essential to safe riding...

P.S. I couldn't agree more about the name-change thing, I think that's REALLY important for this park in specific, just to show that "there's a new way of doing business here at Six Flags California"... ;)

P.P.S. SFC is the signage over the parking entrance gates for those who haven't been...LOL! :)

Monday, February 27, 2006 12:22 PM
I thought one of the knocks against this park was the lack of flat rides. Yet, no one mentioned adding flat rides to the park.
Monday, February 27, 2006 4:00 PM
Terrible thing to say it's time to take a wrecking ball to Colossus. At least back it up with facts about why the ride can't bring joy to anyone else. It's one of six wood coasters on the entire west coast, one of the largest in the nation and you want to tear it down?

As far as your suggestions Sean C, I don't think improving the current coasters is key to Magic Mountain's success. And I don't think Superman has caused anyone to flee or avoid the park. It's one of the first coasters to use LIM's, somewhat historic and worth keeping around. And hardly in the way of any future projects.

They've turned the Mountain into a pure coaster park, removing nearly everything that is not on wheels. In the early part of the 80's Magic Mountain was doing well, so I believe it has more to do with recapturing some of the family audience.

Adding a dark ride, roaring rapids, a flume-ride, 3-D or 4-D experience, a stunt show, and yes, go-karts, bumper cars, or a ferris wheel would be great. Bringing back some of the rides that brought more people to the park then the current long list of scream machines would help. Even teens want something mellow to do between intense coasters. If the park wants to add another coaster, then how about a spinning mouse or a Super Saturator?

If management no longer wants the park to be just a place just for teens then they must place attractions for a larger audience. If it's a staffing issue keeping them from adding more family attractions, then they should shut down a portion of the park until they can get the rest of SFMM operating the way that it should to turn a profit. Management seems so afraid of stepping on Disney's family audience terf. But family rides won't make the coasters go away, and it won't scare off the teens. When it comes to the Mountain, more variety is the key to success. *** Edited 2/27/2006 9:11:52 PM UTC by rc-madness***

Monday, February 27, 2006 7:13 PM
I think you totally missed the whole idea of the blog....From what I understand it to be is what would he/you/I do if he/you/I owned it.

If I owned Magic Mountain, yes I'd totally obliterate Colosos and psyclone, I don't think I need more facts for justification other than I think they both are really bad rides to me personally. Even when they are retracked, they still are not great. Sure SuperMan is a historical ride in the LIM form, but what else, not much if you take away the 100mph and 6 seconds of hang time. I just think this is one of the most boring coasters at the park. If I owned the park, it would become a drop ride and I'd be willing to bet everything I owned that it would be received much better than the existing Coaster. There are not many 400+ drop tower rides.

I'm not fully up to speed on the really good flat rides as my main intrest in amusement parks are Coasters.

But one flat that I'd want to build would be the sledgehammer at (Paramont's Canada Wonderland), it's insanely fun.

*** Edited 2/28/2006 12:17:47 AM UTC by Magicmike***

Monday, February 27, 2006 7:48 PM
Why do people always want to start tearing down things? It may not be great to you, but think about the rest of your guests, the ones that aren't jaded by years of coaster riding, and who find Superman and Colossus to be lots of fun.

When you visit coaster websites everyday, you tend to think the rest of the world thinks like we do. That is not even close to the case. *** Edited 2/28/2006 1:16:47 AM UTC by DWeaver***

Monday, February 27, 2006 8:31 PM
Colossus is *infinitely* repairable in my book, and probably could be done cheaper than tearing down and replacing (of course, either option closes my baby "the Big G" for a long long time, LOL).

Superman came out of that eternal rehab and hits, what, almost 90mph now. I'd keep it becuase of where/what it is, but maybe hook up the Man of Steel with a better *power source*, hmmmm?

Psucklone, one of the *handful* of rides I've been on that I'd consider beyond repair...sad excuse for a roller coaster, sad excuse for an amusement ride period. Fixing it would probably cost double what it'd take for someone to build a new wooden twister in that same exact spot. Was it *ever* prepared to withstand a quake? Frankly, it seems like an ideal candidate to have a class of martial arts students come in and demolish it.

P.S. *Every* major park should get a Sledgehammer, it really IS "that good"... :)

Monday, February 27, 2006 9:37 PM

rc-madness said:

Adding a dark ride, roaring rapids, a flume-ride, 3-D or 4-D experience, a stunt show, and yes, go-karts, bumper cars, or a ferris wheel would be great. Bringing back some of the rides that brought more people to the park then the current long list of scream machines would help. Even teens want something mellow to do between intense coasters. If the park wants to add another coaster, then how about a spinning mouse or a Super Saturator?

Good call on the dark ride. Those Sally dark rides are very popular among guests I hear. However, the rest of your list easily gives away that you've never been to Magic Mountain.

Add a Roaring Rapids? They have the first one built on the West Coast. Roaring Rapids. Add a flume ride? They have FOUR; two log-style based flumes (Jet Stream/Log Jammer); one shoot-the-chutes (Tidal Wave); one tube slide (Yosemite Sam Sierra Falls); Add a stunt show? Batman Begins Stunt Show was introduced last year and will be running this season too; Add a go-karts? They already have one. It's called Cyclone 500; Add bumper cars? They already have one. It's called Sandblasters. The ferris wheel and 4D simulator attractions would be welcomed additions. That's still less than half your list. Visit the park first (or become familiar with it) and THEN TRY and make some legit suggestions :)

Monday, February 27, 2006 9:43 PM
Well...they could always improve customer service! ;)

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