My El Toro Review

I'll do it myself...

"In other words, Voyage II"

Sarcasm, something that seems foriegn to you. I guess I should have made it more obvious.

"To me, a ride like Voyage comes along once a generation. El Toro sounds like a terrific ride, but I'm sure that like every other wooden coaster NOT name Voyage, it's not going to be perfect."

Read the trip reports dude. Most of those who have ridden Voyage find it to be the closest thing to perfect they have ever ridden. All you have to do is take a peak at the other "El Toro" thread in which people are already saying there is NO WAY El Toro can beat Voyage. And I'm saying, so what. Even if that's true, that shouldn't color opinions of the big bull. Jeez, is that so tough to get?

ugh, why am I explaining what is SO easy to understand. *** Edited 6/13/2006 9:13:12 PM UTC by DWeaver***

I really thought you were saying that "VOYAGE was thee best!!!111." At that moment, fanboy attack mode came in. But if you claim sarcasm..... humph! Gimme my troll treats back!

Dante, who prefers to not rank coasters at all. You're still a jerk :) *** Edited 6/13/2006 9:07:40 PM UTC by DorneyDante***

^ All are equal in Dante's eyes...

Unless built buy Summers and Dinn. *** Edited 6/13/2006 9:08:22 PM UTC by WildThingNative***

"You're still a jerk".

Thank you. Nice to know I haven't lost my touch! ;)

Well since I was quoted in that quote...

No, not Voyage II. First of all, it would have to be in a woodsy environment to deserve that title and be "bigger" as that's how sequels are... Anyway, my expectations of ET have nothing to do with Voyage which by the way isn't perfect. I was one of the few who have been very excited about ET from the day it was announced and didn't care about its "short" length.

Lookng at the animation and the renderings and thinking logically about the progression of layout from such a tall first drop to a lower and lower profile along a "short" layout, I determined the train was going to haul all the way to the end, and knowing it was Intamin, figued it would have insane ejector airtime all the way through.

Yes, Voyage maintains a great rate of speed through the whole ride (minus the block brake), but there really isn't any ejector air to be found, but I didn't expect any based on the press release claiming "... a feast of floater air..." El Toro is not The Voyage II. To me, it's more like an Intamin hyper. I don't know if it's better or worse than The Voyage, and I don't care. I am just interested in seeing how the actual ride matches up with what I envisioned it would be, and that is a non-stop, insanely intense airtime machine equaling one of the greatest roller coasters ever made, despite all the people saying things like: "there was no way it would be as good as Voyage", "It's wayyyyyy too short," "It looks boring," etc... Sorry about that long sentence. And if I misinterpreted someone's comments, I am sorry.

I love The Voyage, but I am still VERY excited to get back to Jersey and ride El Toro.

You explained yourself perfectly, and what you've said is the attitude I hope people take into riding El Toro (or any other wooden coaster from here on out). I won't even be comparing the two, because like you said, El Toro will offer a completely different experience from Voyage. But I can already see the annoying comparisons forming.

Well considering how many people at Beech Bend asked me which I thought was better--Voyage or Rumbler--there's no hope :)

Yeah, one of the more nerdy aspects of our hobby. But either way, it's not that big a deal. There are other wooden coasters out there besides El Toro and Voyage. I'd love to take a spin on Hades, soon.

Oh I have to share this...
Sparky and I were in the rest room at Rumblefest and an enthusiast walked in, pulls up next to Frank and asks him which he likes better--Voyage or Rumbler. LOL. There are no limits to some people's obsession.

This is just like feuding between east coast and midwest rappers!

It's Nelly vs. the Jennifer Lopez!!

So what are YOU representin'?

Oh I can top that. How about a "well known" internet coaster personality who sat for 15 minutes after riding Voyage the first time, to try and find something wrong with it. He could not drop it until he found a flaw. Of course he found one, and has been harping on it ever since. LOL.

All because he didn't want it bump his current #1 down to #2. I mean just craziness. *** Edited 6/13/2006 10:53:07 PM UTC by DWeaver***

Well known internet coaster personality? C'mon, how about a name?

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POINTON3 said:
So what are YOU representin'?

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Oh, by the way, I'm representin' the people who don't understand why Voyage is constantly brought up in El Toro threads.

Is El Toro vs. The Voyage the new CP vs. SFMM?

I know a lot has been said about El Toro's interaction with Rolling Thunder and that most people have mentioned that the area inside of Thunder's infield is one of Toro's best features.

All that aside, what's going on with Rolling Thunder? Is it back in operation? Has it been "fixed" or does it still stink?

I hope to get there in two weeks. Maybe by then both sides of Chiller will be running again too.

RT is still closed an from what I heard for anther 2 weeks. I did see 2 guys on the lift yesterday.

Side note I did see 3 guy working on Robin track of the Chiller.

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matt. said:

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POINTON3 said:
So what are YOU representin'?

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Oh, by the way, I'm representin' the people who don't understand why Voyage is constantly brought up in El Toro threads.

Is El Toro vs. The Voyage the new CP vs. SFMM?

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It is brought up because.........they can't find any thing else to b**ch about? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

Threads like these are always amusing... Anywho, I just got on El Toro twice today, both in the back row. The ejector air is absolutely insane. I loved the first drop, it was incredibly intense. I may or may not get on Voyage any time soon, but I'm definitely looking forward to it. Until then I'll run around like a rambling ****ing moron and proclaim El Toro to be the best wooden coaster ever, even though I haven't been on all the wooden coasters in the world. *** Edited 6/14/2006 3:38:52 AM UTC by Joecoasterguy***

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DorneyDante said:
yup. as in stick a fork in you. DONE You walked yourself into this one.

Talk about trolls? Does anyone have any treats to feed this one? Im all out. O humph!

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Roller coaster 3 is very good value.

I think you need to take a step back and realize that winning this arguement doesn't make you a winner. I'm not even so sure your confidence is justified.

One of the big questions regarding coasters is how important length is. If length was everything, then would anyone ride TTD and KK? Also, we have parks like KW which have some great coasters that generally aren't very long.

What is important is the quality of the ride experience. Sure there are long coasters such as Voyage, Beast, and Boulder Dash that are great rides but shorter coasters such as the KW Jack Rabbit, Cornball Express, and Raven are great as well.

I rode El Toro 3 times yesterday - middle, & 2 back.

My coaster experience is limited, so prior to this I would've listed Lightning Racer as my favorite wood, followed by Roar at SFA, and Medusa (SFGAdv) as my favorite coaster. SFA's Superman:ROS scared me, and I was afraid to ride Nitro. Laterals & inversions were my friends, not airtime.

The Flashpass man (never used one before, but it was a 4 hr day and a new coaster with a history of a line) set our Qbert for ET in 10 minutes so there was no time to think, we just got on. And something kept kicking my 170 lb tush out of the seat again and again, the first time while I'm hanging over the edge looking (what feels like) straight down at the ground. In between kicks, there are the banked turns and lateral forces I love so much in the GCIs.

Awaiting re-rides, Medusa paled in comparison. Nitro was now a must ride despite my earlier fears, and it was good. Our back seat rides on El Toro were better than the first in the middle, and I have a new favorite coaster, by a mile. Regardless of how long the track is.

They need more blue shirts to pin people in. One guy doing 18 rows takes too long when only 1 train is functioning. My lap bar was one that set off their sensors on one ride when they just placed it instead of jammed it in, but when you're shoved over it again and again it's good to have it there placed by a 'professional.'