Mr. Freeze vs. Hypersonic XLC + LIM technology / i
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Don't get me wrong here - I'm sure the XLC is awesome, and I can't wait to ride one - but everyone is making a big deal about a launched ride with a 90 degree straight up, 90 degree straight down hill.
However, this concept has been around for a bit with Mr. Freeze...not only does it take you up and down at 90 degrees face first, it flips you upside down while doing so, and takes you up 90 degrees again, and back through the whole thing backwards !
Yes, Mr. Freeze has lame cars with view blocking head restraints, and XLC is taller and faster, but that can be fixed and I really think that Mr. Freeze has a lot more to offer concept-wise.
What we need is a mega-Mr. Freeze ! The Tophat inversion alone is amazing, can you imagine a Tophat the size of an XLC ? How about some different elements in a launched ride ? All of them seem to be up and down, back and forth (hehe, no, I'm not complaining V2 is great !).
I'd like to see a ride with multiple LIMs throughout out the course of the track... As I see from V2, LIMs can run forwards and backwards. How about a coaster that changes direction several times throughout the course ? Maybe something like a Flight Of Fear, that bounces you around like a pinball forwards and backwards with LIMs - or how about morphing Mr. Freeze and FoF together...launch from the station, through the entire FoF ride, then add Mr. Freeze to the end of it and run the whole thing backwards...and make everything it bigger too of course :)
To expand on that idea, I'd like to see something like FoF, with several flat sections (like typical breakruns), but these would actually be loaded with LIMs. There would be several of these throughout the ride - except that instead of braking, they would either launch you again, or launch you backwards back through the elements you just experienced. Then the computer could randomize the launching/forwards/backwards etc. to keep the re-rideability high.
Anyway...maybe I'm crazy, but after riding V2 and Mr. Freeze for the first time recently, I am really big on LIMs and wicked ride ideas are constantly racing through my head.
Anyone else have any crazy LIM ride concepts ? Any other thoughts or ideas ?
*** This post was edited by Joe Carroll on 5/29/2001. ***
However, this concept has been around for a bit with Mr. Freeze...not only does it take you up and down at 90 degrees face first, it flips you upside down while doing so, and takes you up 90 degrees again, and back through the whole thing backwards !
Yes, Mr. Freeze has lame cars with view blocking head restraints, and XLC is taller and faster, but that can be fixed and I really think that Mr. Freeze has a lot more to offer concept-wise.
What we need is a mega-Mr. Freeze ! The Tophat inversion alone is amazing, can you imagine a Tophat the size of an XLC ? How about some different elements in a launched ride ? All of them seem to be up and down, back and forth (hehe, no, I'm not complaining V2 is great !).
I'd like to see a ride with multiple LIMs throughout out the course of the track... As I see from V2, LIMs can run forwards and backwards. How about a coaster that changes direction several times throughout the course ? Maybe something like a Flight Of Fear, that bounces you around like a pinball forwards and backwards with LIMs - or how about morphing Mr. Freeze and FoF together...launch from the station, through the entire FoF ride, then add Mr. Freeze to the end of it and run the whole thing backwards...and make everything it bigger too of course :)
To expand on that idea, I'd like to see something like FoF, with several flat sections (like typical breakruns), but these would actually be loaded with LIMs. There would be several of these throughout the ride - except that instead of braking, they would either launch you again, or launch you backwards back through the elements you just experienced. Then the computer could randomize the launching/forwards/backwards etc. to keep the re-rideability high.
Anyway...maybe I'm crazy, but after riding V2 and Mr. Freeze for the first time recently, I am really big on LIMs and wicked ride ideas are constantly racing through my head.
Anyone else have any crazy LIM ride concepts ? Any other thoughts or ideas ?
*** This post was edited by Joe Carroll on 5/29/2001. ***
boblogone writes:
>The big difference is the S&S launch
>accelerates about twice as hard.
Good point...how about a hybrid ?
A compressed air launch, with
multiple LIMs throughout the ride
for boosts and/or directional changes ?
How about a launch UP a lift hill...kinda like
XLC, but a camel hump with the down side being steeper (like a traditional lift hill). You'd take off like an airplane, and immediately go into a dive with tons of airtime over the top !
>The big difference is the S&S launch
>accelerates about twice as hard.
Good point...how about a hybrid ?
A compressed air launch, with
multiple LIMs throughout the ride
for boosts and/or directional changes ?
How about a launch UP a lift hill...kinda like
XLC, but a camel hump with the down side being steeper (like a traditional lift hill). You'd take off like an airplane, and immediately go into a dive with tons of airtime over the top !
My latest and greatest idea is an inverted top hot element. You would be launched to somewhere around 70-80 mph then gently curved to the side so the trains are on the outside of the vertical horseshoe. They are then flipped over to the other side, like going through half of an inverted loop. After which, they drop face first down the vertical spike and either return to the station or continue through more traditional elements. The hardest part to visualize is the rotation from the low and level launch to the vertical spike. Just imagine being launched on S:UE and going up just enough of the spike so your feet are perpendicular to the direction you were launched from. I've drawn up a VERY rough sketch of the concept. Remember, this isn't to scale... it would be taller than pictured here.
http://www.rpoint.f2s.com/invert.gif
... pardon shoddy drawing skills ;)
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http://www.rpoint.f2s.com/invert.gif
... pardon shoddy drawing skills ;)
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Linear Induction Media
http://www.rpoint.f2s.com
Yeah cool idea SFA...
How about a suspended coaster and tophat like yours, but with a zero-g roll (twist) at the top. Pretty much the same as you are describing, except that you would twist around
under the tophat, before going face first down the back of the hill.
Or why not a big upside down "U" that's twisted all the way around (the whole tophat is twisted suspended track) !! I imagine the physics on that wouldn't allow it, but it's cool to think about !
How about a suspended coaster and tophat like yours, but with a zero-g roll (twist) at the top. Pretty much the same as you are describing, except that you would twist around
under the tophat, before going face first down the back of the hill.
Or why not a big upside down "U" that's twisted all the way around (the whole tophat is twisted suspended track) !! I imagine the physics on that wouldn't allow it, but it's cool to think about !
NOOBIES. I am Limwarrior!!!! Lim for linear induction motor. Any way VOLCANO the blast coaster at pkd(home of the launch coasters). Has 2 lim launches. The first one and then the 1 after that big turn. You know right before you go vertical and out the top of the mountain. Well I am surprized you guys did not know that. I mean I am sure you have heard of The Volcano rollbacks. Well the second set it why sometime it rollsback. It is fun though cause you do not expect it unlike S:UE and you also go back around that big turn. When I mean unexpected. You are gonna die for a split second. First time riders might not now what is going on aat first. But the second I stopped upside down in the sidewinder at the top of the volcano. I knew we were gonna fall back in.
Welcome, honorable Limwarrior! I am COMPRESSED AIR MAN, king of the world. This is my sidekick, Lapbar Boy. Join me as we fight evil and injustice...::ahem::..yeah..
Anyway, during the rollback, didn't the eddy current from the ascent LIMs slow you down going around the curve?
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Anyway, during the rollback, didn't the eddy current from the ascent LIMs slow you down going around the curve?
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http://www.rpoint.f2s.com
How about a Coaster that goes out down a small slope from station where it hits the LIMs and gets shot out and up a huge hill(insert really really big number here)feet high but this hill would be the slope of a normal hill on the up side and verticle on the down side then the coaster could do a few other elements loops ect. before hitting a kind of helix that turns back on its self using a transfer track much like a train it could then in a forward direction go through the course in the opposite direction it came this could be done because the LIMS can fire in both directions. This Hill would then give you the best of both worlds a verticle assent and desent as well as a traditional hill. The best part is that for rerideability every other ride would alternate either all forwards or all backwards due to the transfer at the end or if the park didn't want it to run backwards it could just have another transfer on the other side of the station.
Actually, Speed the Ride here in vegas already has more than one launch and its a premier rides attraction. The first launch gets the train at a speed of 35mph in 2 seconds through an overbanked turn, a dive into a tunnel, and up into a loop then a secong LIM zone that accelerates the train to 70mph around a 90 degree banked turn up a 224ft tower. The 2nd LIM section on the way back slows the train so that it "hangs" at the top of the loop and completes the course.
So there ya have it, two launches has been done.
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"ok everyone go ahead and pull down on your shoulder restraint so you feel nice and stuck!"
So there ya have it, two launches has been done.
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"ok everyone go ahead and pull down on your shoulder restraint so you feel nice and stuck!"
There is an old rumor that Kentucky Kingdom had plans for Premier dueling/racing coasters called 'Blinding Dark.' One side has black track & white cars & vice versa for the other. Part of both sides are indoors or all of it, can't remember.
Now, one side is a full-circuit coaster with 8 inversions & a traditional lifthill (Can't recall if it has LIMs as well). The other is a 4 inversion LIM Launched Shuttle coaster with extra LIMs somewhere along it. That's 16 inversions altogether!
This plan got shelved in the takeover by SF. Who knows, it may happen one day. Perhaps that's why the park hasn't gotten anything new recently as they could be working on this project.
As for the Top Hat, aerobatic planes do that, only in a straight line i.e quarter loop, half roll, half loop, half roll & quarter loop out. Why can't we see that on a coaster??
Now, one side is a full-circuit coaster with 8 inversions & a traditional lifthill (Can't recall if it has LIMs as well). The other is a 4 inversion LIM Launched Shuttle coaster with extra LIMs somewhere along it. That's 16 inversions altogether!
This plan got shelved in the takeover by SF. Who knows, it may happen one day. Perhaps that's why the park hasn't gotten anything new recently as they could be working on this project.
As for the Top Hat, aerobatic planes do that, only in a straight line i.e quarter loop, half roll, half loop, half roll & quarter loop out. Why can't we see that on a coaster??
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