More People at PKI than CP?

I'm a coaster geek using non-geeks as an example. That and I've worked professionally in one form of media or another for a decade.

I still don't see your point aside from speculation about what they may or may not have wanted to happen in terms of public perception and how it affected attendance. Even if for a moment they expected the connection to be obvious, I doubt very much that anyone expected the people to come rolling in because of it. *** Edited 12/20/2004 2:39:30 PM UTC by Jeff***

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Charles Nungester said:
PKI has a way longer operating season than CP and PKI seems to have a much bigger Season Pass attendance figure.

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As far as PKI season, CP has more days open to public than PKI. CP is open everyday in May, but PKI does not. PKI basically shuts down during September and two days a week in October, but CP is open three days a week until the end of October. PKI has about 2 weeks less operating days.

PKI has more season pass members.

IMO , the reason PKI has more season pass holders and slightly higher attendance then CP is the included with admission waterpark.

Having the amusement and waterpark in one entices more people (especially families) to purchase season passes.

Pricing also makes a huge difffernce. I mean, PKI has a four pack for $319. I bought my CP/GL season passes at $450 total without JC. Now granted, they are the two park combo pass but I didn't get soak city. I gurantee if it asn't for me being a coaster nut, and insisting on going to CP at least 3 times a year, my family would walk through GL once a year to ride the bumper cars over and over and not come back.

On a side note:

GL dropped their ad agency. Maybe we'll see some decent ads this year. Who knows, maybe Kinzel actually read these boards and decided that we were right in the ads they were showing!

Yes, I'm sure Dick is hanging on every word that enthusiasts post on the Internet.

You mean I'm not the reason he's adding the 500 ft. coaster in 2007?? Surely he knows CP will sink into Lake Eric if they don't add that to balance out the peninsula and nobody will go there anymore.

+Danny ;)

500? I thought my idea for the double-launch was 720? ;)

While they're most likely not "hanging on every word", I have no doubt in my mind that someone with each park/chain doesn't sit down and read the boards, and report back with summaries of what's going on in enthusiast-land. You could think of it as "market research". Heck, I know ride manufacturers do (or at least one particular manufacturer, but still..)

I didn't even know Paramount owned Bonfante Gardens. But, then again, I'm still a young ripening coaster enthusiast, set to follow in all of your guys footsteps. ;)

Hmm.. didn't notice this on my first read, but where exactly is 'Lake Eric', Danny? ;)

Kyle, I know how you feel.. I may have years on you in age, but I know I'm still "young" in enthusiast years (and learning a lot on the board, naturally ;) ). I've been into coasters for a long while, but only recently started exploring outside of my home park (Dorney) and the two close ones (GAdv and Hershey)

Why, it's right next to Lake Samantha of course. Didn't you get the memo? ;)

+Danny

*rustles papers while muttering "Lake Samantha Memo..."*

Nope, can't find it. They must have filled it in when they read your post about the possibility of the peninsula being sucked in. It was cheaper than building that 500 footer. :)

It's quite a ways from Lake Beaver, which is, IMHO, a far better lake...;)

Yes, dannerman, you may be new here, but so far even if we don't agree with you(;)), you're turning out okay. Just don't 'pull a Kyle' and start threads about pop up blockers. And don't stalk me. It is very bad to stalk me. Unless you're m00sh. Or +Danny. Oh, and Invy too.

Suckers...

Since you know, I have nothing better to do besides make up evil plans on message boards to mislead Cedar Point into imploding themselves. =^p

+Danny, obliviously... seriously enjoys CP and the Beaver *** Edited 12/22/2004 8:59:37 AM UTC by +Danny***

Even if you did only get to 'ride the beaver' on Thunderhead only once. Oh well, we'll always have PKI in august, Dannington.

You had to make your rounds with all the new-to-you people, so understand. I let you have your space to frollic and get under their clothes.. er, skin. ;)

+Danny

The other thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the "news" coming out shortly after the SFWOA acquisition by CF wasn't exactly positive. Every other day, it seemed like the local Cleveland news was reporting some story about how CF was going to "cheat" poor school children out of free admission SF had promised them. Whether or not that affected attendance at GL I can't say, but people generally resist change and the media enjoys exploiting that (especially during sweeps).

While many people have mentioned this several times, you have to consider the quickness of the acquisition when talking about GL's poor 2004 marketing. It takes a while to develop a cohesive identity and message for a park. It's generally accepted that it takes about two full years for all the "bugs" in an acquistion to be worked out, and for the acquired entity to fully function as part of the whole. Considering the strength of CF's operations/management, I'd expect the assimilation of GL to occur faster than that, but it still takes longer than a few months...

Finally, I think both PKI and CP should be applauded for the marketing identities they've established for the parks. Consider this...together PKI and CP draw a combined attendance of nearly 7 million...not bad for a state with a population of roughly 10 million. (Yeah, yeah...a lot of those visitors come from out of state, but you get my point...)

Joel

Joking about the whole Kinzel thing! Or are you him in disguise Jeff? ;)

i wander if this might be the fact that they dont let larger people on there rides like before? im not trying to get a thing going but thats my 2 cents and yes im a big guy and i couldnt ride several rides. But i would go where i can ?? LOL

Argh! My eyes!