More details on Phantom's Revenge

Posted Friday, August 11, 2000 5:11 AM | Contributed by Jeff

As yesterday's announcement of Kennywood's new coaster seemed vague, so do the words of park officials to the press. Kennywood's CEO Harry Henninger told the Post-Gazette that, "The dots do not connect yet." D.H. Morgan has been named as the manufacturer.

That story is here on the Post-Gazette.

The paper also has a report on fan reaction (which sadly makes no mention of the action here on CoasterBuzz). That story can also be found on the paper's site, and includes information on a simulator ride at a science center.

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Friday, August 11, 2000 5:57 AM
Is it gonna be like hybrid track????? Because the ride will still be rough due to Arrow's track. Isn't it easier to combine wood with wood then steel with steel? Every designer is different. I think it should be like like it should be like 1000 ft. longer than the old design. But I guess the Pippin, Thunderbolt thing worked, so this must work. I am sure it will be better than the old Phantom.

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Friday, August 11, 2000 5:58 AM
Jeff's avatar No, the track will all be Morgan. I'm sure it's a different guage.

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Friday, August 11, 2000 6:38 AM
The only thing I dont understand is how they're making go 5 mph faster with having the drop increased by only 5 feet.
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Friday, August 11, 2000 6:38 AM
Soggy's avatar Folks, please listen. When they say "The first 2 drops will be retained, the second drop will be 5 feet taller.." (I know that is not the exact quote) they DO NOT mean the old Arrow track will be staying. They mean the location, the layout, and the general feel of the first half of the ride will be retained. This will be a 100% new track, new rolling stock, AND a completely different second half.

What they are retaining from the "Steel Phantom" is the "Phantom" name, the station, and the fact that they are CALLING it an updated ride, rather than a complete tear-out and re-build.

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Friday, August 11, 2000 6:50 AM
Where has it been written that they are not using any old track? I would agree this makes sense but have not seen it confirmed anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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Friday, August 11, 2000 7:23 AM
I figure they use the same structure while getting new trains and track. They will leave they station location but will remodel, or just build a new one completly.

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Friday, August 11, 2000 7:39 AM

About the coaster simulator.
I am a staff member at the Carnegie Science Center, and I will be one of the ride's new operators. It was mentioned to me that when the simulator is moved across the street to the new sports works exhibit, there may be a few more coaster videos to choose from.
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Friday, August 11, 2000 8:18 AM
This is the first time I'm hearing about the Sports Works exhibit. Is this going to be something new inline with the new stadiums?

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Neil
Pittsburgh, PA
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Friday, August 11, 2000 8:19 AM
Could this coaster raise anymore media attention? Plus this track design thing. Why don't they just use the same track design of the original Steel Phantom? (not the actually track design, but different) also the old track should be used in the new hyper coaster at a peticular SF park...*coughSFEG*

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Friday, August 11, 2000 8:47 AM
Would you allow somebody to paint over the Mona Lisa to make it better?? This is exactly what Kennywood is doing. 3200 feet doesnt sound like much "better" then the original phantom, but we have yet to get more info about the bunny hop finale...

Although the camelback between the first and second drops should be fairly nice!

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I would like 2 Steel Dragons and a king size MF to go, please.

Oh and can I get a Tonerre de Zeus float?
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Friday, August 11, 2000 9:35 AM
I would be interested to hear what Ron Toomer's thoughts are about this.

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Neil
Pittsburgh, PA
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Friday, August 11, 2000 11:40 AM
Sorry but Kennywood bombed on this one. How is a revamped Steel Phantom actually going to get more people in the gate. Why not leave the original alone and build a completely new coaster right next to it. Who knows. Hopefully it will turn out to be better than the Phantom.
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Friday, August 11, 2000 11:54 AM
I knew this would happen as soon as I heard the news (at the actual press conference). I knew everybody would judge it and say, "It's not long enough" or "Why don't they build a new ride" or "It's going to be terrible". Well you know, why don't you just stop trying to predict whether it'll be good or not, and just wait until next year to ride it.

As for "a new coaster right next to it". Have you ever been there? I'd like to see YOU try to "build a completely new coaster right next to it".

About the track, I believe Henninger said they were going to keep old Arrow track and have it meet up with Morgan's. I don't really like that idea, but nobody's really sure if they're going to do that yet, or if they're going with all new track. I'd like to see all new track, but keep the old footers/supports.

Oh and by the way, Henninger said "Morgan's a very creative company and they can probably match up the guage to fit with the old Arrow track".

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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge.
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Friday, August 11, 2000 12:47 PM
No OTSR sounds good enough to me...
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Friday, August 11, 2000 1:06 PM
WHEW! Boy are all these opinions making me dizzy! Anyways, I am ALL FOR this new beast, and am thrilled to see our friends at Morgan doing it. They are the closest to ARROW you'll get (seeing that Mr. Morgan started with ARROW). I really look forward to this tunnel thing!
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Friday, August 11, 2000 1:32 PM
Hey-"hints that loops might be part of a new ride to be built in the next three or four years"
Didn't any of you read the Post-Gazette article?????All of the questions are answered.I'm glad they are looking to fix/widen the curve after the big drop.It looked so cool on tv but riding it beat my head so much it wasn't pleasent.Now hopefuly it will just glide around that turn .....:)This is starting to sound good.

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Friday, August 11, 2000 6:55 PM
I wasn't planning on going to Kennywood this year. But when I heard they were tearing down the Phantom i figured i would have to make the trip. So me and my father are going on Monday, I can't wait to ride it!
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Friday, August 11, 2000 7:18 PM
i dono, in my opinion i think that kennywood was bluffing (or who ever released the info) about the added 200 feet of track to the layout. i think that kw isn't going to add that much at all, but.... add more as a suprise. it would only make sense that they would purposely let some info leak, but they could use it to their advantage:

"on august 10, kennywood's press release leaves mixed emotions amongst the steel phantom's fans.".... but then later (most likely january) , suprise! kennywood releases more information , that will change everyone's view of the new phantom.

this most likely is just an idea and will propably not happen, but its good to still speculate. and i'm sure that their will be a surprise, either from the better phantom, or it's even better ride.
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Friday, August 11, 2000 9:08 PM
Did they ever mention the MAX. Height?? I don't think they did, but I could be wrong. They just said the second drop was being retained, it doesn't mean its gonna be the big drop. But I could be totaly wrong.
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