Steel supports should have nothing to do with it. Plenty of CCIs with steel are perfectly smooth for a woodie. Perhaps maintanence has something to do with it? If you give a wood coaster some TLC it will stay great! ----------------- - Peabody
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maybe it has something being near the ocean, i know there are tons of other woodies near oceans, but maybe there is something in the air through there, because the swamp fox is the roughest woodie(or coaster) i have ever been on and its about 5 blocks from the hurricane, i actually gave my friend a bloody nose on it because i had my hands up and they hit him in the nose
P>'ve been on a few coasters with G-Trains, Villain, Legend, and Twisted Sisters, and must say... these trains are some of the worst out there. Now to see if its actually the track or the trains still remains to be seen. But solid proof will come once Holiday World opens and Legend runs with PTCs. Only then we will know if it is the G-Trains that are the problem./P> P>FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">Coasterman Mike - who wants to start a petition to ban G-Trains for CCs/P> ----------------- Now, a card carrying member of ACE. Total rides on Pittfall: 255 Total rides on Superman:UE : 633
For me, the "problem" with G-trains arises when the layout produces significant laterals...Villain I had NO problems with, but the layout provides airtime (and plenty of it), not lateral forces. Legend ran perfect through the airtime sections IMO, but had some trouble in the double-helix (gotta wonder if Jeff H. agrees with me on that, LOL). TS, honestly, ran SO slow and screechy I couldn't even feel any forces at all, so I can't speak as to how the trains would run on greased track at decent speed.
But, on to the real comparison: Cheetah! The Gerstlauer-train, CCI, steel-supported woodie, that I have logged considerable time on. And know, my analysis: 1) CCI builds great coasters...as if you didn't know. 2) CCI woodies on steel supports run better through the air hills then through tight twists and helices (based on Lola, Stella, and Cheetah). and 3) Although G-trains get a lot of bashing, I think they're fine on out-n-backs, they just don't function as well on twister-type layouts...
I'd love to ride this coaster so I can do more "analysis"...LOL.
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WCS4488 said: Everyone always talks about how smooth CCIs are, and I agree 100%. But is this coaster an exception? The first year I rode it in 2000 it wasn't as rough, but in 2001, it was terrible. Is it the steel support structure? Unlike wooden supports which obsorb the shock, does the steel not obsorb the shock as well? Is it rough because of the Gerstlauer trains? Many complain about Gerstlauer trains but are they really the problem? Even though we can complain about so many other rough woodies. The reason for those are braking. But this is a tough one to decipher due to barely any trims. Give your thoughts and opinions. -----------------
Depends on what you are describing as rough. I think the G trains track far better than PTC's even though Rideman would say Its all the same running gear, It is not. One train has tapered roller bearings and one has round and a few other minor differences. I also think the G trains roll with far less friction. Now for the rough. My brother rode it in august and said it wasn't rough but one of the helixes it just whiped you about and was hard to maintain a upright possition. As we are a Insane coaster loving duo, My brother ranked it as his third favorite woodie. I have been on several steel and a few wood framed CCI's and I think the wooden framed ones vibrate more. Legend last season was getting a wicked vibration on the bottom of the first drop (Being Replaced by Jeff H!). I thought the figure eight on Cheetah might be to some to be too intense but I loved it! It was interesting that while talking to a PR rep at Wild Adventures that he said in the summer the figure eight somtimes has to be inspected several times a day for excessive Track Pin Shear! Chuck, who considers Cheetah his number 4 and has never ridden a CCI he considers rough. Rough is the backseat of Skyliner!
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DrachenFire04 said: maybe it has something being near the ocean, i know there are tons of other woodies near oceans, but maybe there is something in the air through there, because the swamp fox is the roughest woodie(or coaster) i have ever been on and its about 5 blocks from the hurricane, i actually gave my friend a bloody nose on it because i had my hands up and they hit him in the nose
Now we are considering bodily inflicted wounds and rough? :) Chuck, just kidding!
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because the swamp fox is the roughest woodie(or coaster) i have ever been on and its about 5 blocks from the hurricane, i actually gave my friend a bloody nose on it because i had my hands up and they hit him in the nose
That's interesting, I found Swamp Fox to be very smooth (unless you count my back slamming into the seat after the ejector air :P) and one of my favorite wooden coasters. As for Hurricane, the Gerties definitely make it a bit rougher, and there are some easy to tell 'kinks' in the track, especially in the last helix. I enjoyed it anyway :)
To me, the worst spots are in the helices. When I last rode it in the fall, there seems to be some roughness in the first turn of the first helix. Its not too bad. The worst is that nasty jolt coming out of the last helix. No matter where you're sitting, it just kills the ride and it quite painful. I've actually heard people go OWW! while riding it! I don't know if they've done any retracking on the coaster during the off season. I was down there a few weeks ago and didn't see any signs of any. About that nasty jolt in the last helix, I heard that it was the result of some retracking gone bad. I hope it gets fixed because that second helix is my favourite part of the ride.
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The hills are pretty smooth except for the straitaway beforen the first helix, it feels like the poured gravel all over ther track in that spot. The 2 helixes gave me bruises on my thighs after 35 laps. ------------- "This Movie spent way to much money on special effects, look they couldnt even afford to buy those little dudes shoes!"
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