Maverick heartline roll

Saturday, June 9, 2007 12:19 AM
I haven't been on CB just for this reason, but sorry if this has been repeated.

I went to CP on thursday, and rode the Maverick and was in utter shock when the inversion i was looking forward to was replaced. Even though I loved the ride without it, in the back of my mind, i'd still like to ride it with the roll in it. I talked to one of the workers, and he said the coaster was going too fast, and there was too much strain on the riders.

Was it just me who's first maverick experience was ruined because of the missing inversion?

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 12:24 AM
You haven't been on CB for quite awhile, huh? ;)

Been there, discussed that. To death. What you were told is correct, if was going way too fast for the inversion. If it had been *stretched out* to accommodate the speed of the train at that point, it might have been more acceptable.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 12:36 AM
I did miss it though. That section of the ride just feels like it's missing something. I'm sure to the GP it doesnt though
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Saturday, June 9, 2007 12:45 AM
Yea, rollergator, that's what i thought. But I might as well ask, since topics no longer remain, for reference.

The GP(My friends) said they didn't even notice the only non-launching basic portion of the ride. So it still works, I was wondering before, would they ever change that portion of the ride, and add something else. That minor bend needs something else, to keep the intensity of the ride. It would be sweet if CP decided to add something after this season.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 12:59 AM
The dangers of watching Keith McVeen animations only at 11:)* Like everyone else, we all watched the videos during the winter/spring and were looking forward to that element (but with trepedation) as well, due to the speed and the snap.

Take a look around for the testing video where they show a live train going through that element and you can see that it would have been brutal. Only one person rode it and came to that same conclusiion--Sandor Kernacs (sp?) the president of IntaRide. Testing results were not good in that section either.

*[explanation for other cultures] The 11 o'clock news in America is reserved for anything that could be dangerous to your health, wallet, or safety--i.e. "Only at 11, a popular car has been recalled due to defective brakes. Could it be in you driveway right now?" They never even give you a hint as to what it could be, and most people are in bed!

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 1:05 AM
Yes, the replacement S-curve is pretty much the most boring section of the ride, but it basically boils down to:

Would you rather face the most painful heartline roll in existence, at 7 Gs, and possibly injure your neck, or would you rather have a nice, safe S-Curve?

The rest of Maverick more than made up for the Heartline to me, with a perfect first drop, perfect airtime hills, perfect curves, and a perfect start, middle, and end to the ride.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 1:14 AM
Nevermind, after watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guTTVVco1NA i think I'll prefer the ride without the inversion. That's a broken neck for sure. but you know, if it were RCT you'd be like, they could handle it.
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Saturday, June 9, 2007 2:43 AM
With or Without the Element, Maverick is one heck of a ride!

I did not miss this element at all. I was very surprised by this ride. It met all my expectations and more. Best Coaster at CP, hands down.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 10:15 AM
Rollergator said:

"If it had been *stretched out* to accommodate the speed of the train at that point, it might have been more acceptable."

So does anyone think they're going to try to fix the problem and put the roll back in during the off season if that's all that needs to be done to fix it?

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 11:28 AM

BANDandDCI said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guTTVVco1NA

Thanks for pointing this one out!
So they did actually send trains through there...
It looks pretty amazing actually - could have been the "signature" moment of the ride.
I think the reason for its removal was the excessive mechanical stress on the train, I didn't know rider comfort was a factor in this (?)

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 11:44 AM
So does anyone think they're going to try to fix the problem and put the roll back in during the off season if that's all that needs to be done to fix it?

Do you think they will?

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 12:26 PM

superman said:


I think the reason for its removal was the excessive mechanical stress on the train, I didn't know rider comfort was a factor in this (?)


Oh I 100% believe it was. After one watching of a vid I was shocked at the speed of that thing. Even without numbers I wouldn't be surprised after riding if Sandors said " HOLY F***.....we can't do that to human beings!!!! Tear it out!"

As much as we dream about that element, I bet if it was there most of us would be here right now bitching and whining about how it ruins the ride and should be removed.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 1:11 PM
After that video,

I will just stick to the S-curve.

They could surely stretch it out to the elevated turn over the tunnel, right?

So does Maverick top CP's list?

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 3:33 PM
Well, I guess my question then is does anyone think they should try to fix the inversion and add it later.

Personally, I think it would be great if they did, but I don't know how it would impact the park financially or whether that investment would draw the crowd it was originally suppose to attract.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 3:49 PM
I say when CP runs out of room to build more rides ;) they will get bored and start looking for things to do. So then they will replace the s-curve with an outstretched heartline.

^Okay, well, at least that's what I would do. :)

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 4:14 PM

Lee Grant said:
Well, I guess my question then is does anyone think they should try to fix the inversion and add it later.

No, because the only way would be to massively extend that length of track. And, the only way to do that would be result in totally changing that portion of the layout of the ride....new footers, new pieces of track, new transitions. All that additional track would eat up some speed (even if minor) causing the rest of the ride to be taken at a slower speed.

Bottom line right now: The ride kicks ass and the public loves it. Why pay a ton of money and re-engineer the thing just to get one addition inversion that the public doesn't even probably know is missing and they really don't care about.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 4:45 PM
There is as much chance of Maverick getting the inline as Drachen Fire getting it's cork.
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Saturday, June 9, 2007 5:18 PM
I haven't been on Maverick...yet. I'm looking forward to riding it at Coastermania this Friday though!!

Peabody...I'm with you, if the public loves it, why change it.

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 5:36 PM
Well, knowing the engineers, being one who plans on designing coasters in the future, they definately calculated the stress of the track at that point. That's their job. 1. Build the coaster. 2. Test. 3. Redesign if needed.

Just to get the coaster built and running would be top priority. But when they did the OFFICIAL test runs, not computerized test. The results came back that at the inline the riders pulled 6 G's in the front to nearly 7 G's in the back. The highest G-force currently pulls a little over 6 in the back of the coaster, and that part of the train is no longer used for safety issues.

Once the CP engineers saw the results, they put test Maverick with a human(Sandors) to see what he says. He said, too rough. I'm sure they thought to stretch out the inversion, but CP probably wanted to open the coaster so they don't lose the revenue the coaster was suppose to bring in. So a quick S-curve would satisfy the coaster for the season.

As for off season, most parks look at how to improve rides, and i'm sure Maverick will eventually have some changes added, or taken out.

And i probably, will be going to CP for coastermania to enjoy the Maverick again. Woo!

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Saturday, June 9, 2007 5:53 PM
^What do you mean the back of the train isn't being used?
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