Marine World officially reveals details of Vertical Velocity redesign

Posted Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:17 AM | Contributed by Brian Grapes

Six Flags Marine World has publicly announced their plans for the 2002 season, which begins March 16th. Riders can expect a modified version of Vertical Velocity, along with a new show line-up and new exhibits. SFMW Online has all the details, straight from the park itself.

Link: SFMW Online

Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:19 AM
It also states that the floor in the loading station will now be retractable. Man, they are just completely overhauling this ride.

**note**, technically it could still be called V2 because the back spike will stay vertical.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:21 AM
Actually, Medusa is higher off the ground than V2. About 30 feet to be exact.
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:25 AM
Regarding the new floor:  I never did understand why *all* of the Impulses didn't have the retractable floor...would have made loading/unloading much easier.  They must be completely redesigning the station, then, since a new floor at the current floor level won't help.  Unless they just make you step up onto the new floor, that is.
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:50 AM
Yes, Mamoosh. A big oversight on the part of Intamin, assuming that all riders could *HOP* into the train.
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:03 AM
Originally I thought, well, at those high speeds you want zero chance of the floor being in the way, but then I realized that this apparently isn't a concern of Vekoma (which isn't saying much).

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:20 AM


So are they changing the name to "45-degree Velocity?" "45DV?" Doesn't really roll of the tongue.

Hmm... semi-Vertical Velocity? Diagonal Velocity?

Damn, there was some kind of curse on this coaster with my girlfriend, she never got to ride it, while I rode it quite a bit. She went to SFMW twice in 2001 as well! On 4th of July, well, there was a 3-4 hour wait, so I convinced her we should try some other day. The next time was on Halloween, and it broke down with us in the front seat! (we got a semi-launch, then had to wait about 15min until they got the train back into the station. Since the park was already past closing time, we got screwed)

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:21 AM
OK.  I just held a pencil straight up on my desk and measured it from the desk to the end of the pencil.  The tip of the pencil is 5.25 inches from the desk.

Then I held the pencil at a 45-degree angle.  The tip of the pencil is 4.25 inches from the desk.

Angle without a doubt affects the height.  It's the length of the track that will be unaffected.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:34 AM
Angling the track WILL affect the height of the track, on this there's not even room for discussion.  I think where we're getting side-tracked is that the LAUNCH speed determines how high the train will travel on the track, taking into account friction, etc.  If it goes 140' high at a certain launch speed, changing the angle of the track SHOULD leave the height attained by the train relatively unchanged...(OK, may be a little difference, but that's why there's THEORY and then there's PRACTICE)...
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:35 AM
Jeff, while I certainly don't know, this still might be heigth related.  If the back tower is still going to be vertical, why is it being deconstructed as well?  I thought I remember the pics showing the twisting side completely down, and the striaght side 2/3rds taken down. 

If the back tower is indeed being lowered, the whole heigth issue might be true.  If it isn't, I wonder what the real reason for the change is?

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:04 AM
Something we've all forgotten:  the trains do not reach full speed on first launch.  Perhaps they'll just re-program the second and third laucnhes?  However I'm still confused how they're keeping the speed the same but shortening the height.  Medusa, which is 150 feet high, does not reach 70MPH, so either the park is lying and has lowered V2's speed or they've found a way to keep trains from flying off the ends! 
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:06 AM
You know, if the rear tower lowers to 150 feet, and the front tower is at the angle (and presumably at the same height), launching to 70 mph will make the train hit the ends of the track.  So it's a safe bet that the train will not launch to 70 anymore.  70 mph is the perfect speed to drive the trains all the way up to the top, but when you take off 30 feet you'll have to lower the speed. 

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:19 AM
Wow.. I thought I didn't know what I was talking about! How on earth did I guess exactly what they are doing???hmmmm?? I must be psychic, eh? Maybe I am the next Ms.Cleo..hehehehe

The total length of the ride will not change at all. They are taking the 30 feet off of the top and applying it to the front angled spike. Remember, more distance is needed to stop the momentum of the train at that angle and speed. I also don't think that the last launch backwards will be 70 mph due to the shortening of the back spike. But, they could also make the LIMs on the back spike slow the train before it tops out... We will see when it opens.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:31 AM
Chris - so do you know what the position of the train will be on the forward spike when trains come to a stop?  That extra 30' of track is not long enough to fit the entire train so that all riders are up-right. 
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:35 AM
V2's height has always been 150 ft.  If you were on Medusa and looked over to V2 when you were at the top of the lift they were equal in height.  Medusa is built over an old parking lot and is on the same ground level that V2 is on.  Medusa reaaches a speed of 65 mph.  Taking into account the non-vertical nature of Medusa and the wider B&M trains (more air resistance vs. larger weight, maybe they cancel each other out?), that sounds about right for a vertical fall from 150 ft. to go 70 mph.

 

Just thinking out loud.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:38 AM
I believe that the twist will be lower on the spike so that you will be upright when the train peaks.. I am not 100% about that though. I will check around about that.

On the cost note, the remodel cost is 5 million. But, they did receive a 1 million dollar payment from the city so technically it's costing SF 4 million.
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:42 AM
LuvJCMusic, Medusa's drop is 150ft, remember there is a small trench below ground level. However the station is 35ft above ground level(notice all the stairs up and down?) and the lift is not 150ft tall. It's the same situation as both X and Goliath. Station, lift and drop are all different heights.


Mammosh, Chris is right. You'll twist, then level out, with only the people at the back of the train remaining slightly twisted. :)

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:58 AM
Sorry if I don't get it, but is there any real reason why they would do this to such a new ride? It seems so unneeded.
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:01 AM
It was needed because the FAA has a height restriction of 150 imposed in that area. They were ordered to remodel the ride to fit in the restriction or face millions in fines and possibly have the ride removed.
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:08 AM
I can't wait to read some official word on the change, like in Amusement Today.
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:12 AM
Chris is the MAN!  I was *sure* the height thing was still the reason, otherwise that's a LOT of expense for SUCH a new ride...(the twist, then level-out reminds me of a certain dual-track LIM coaster in NJ).  But to come up with the $ figures, you've exceeded expectations...
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