Legend to get PTC trains, go to two-train operation

Posted Friday, October 12, 2001 4:24 AM | Contributed by Jeff

As reported by Paula Werne, Holiday World's public relations "Raven Maven" yesterday in the CoasterBuzz forums, the park will retrofit The Legend for two-train operation and use a pair of new PTC trains. The old Gerstlauer train will be retained by CCI, the coaster's manufacturer, where it will be refurbished and likely find a new home.

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Friday, October 12, 2001 4:36 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...Holiday World is the BEST!
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Friday, October 12, 2001 6:14 AM
I'll second that, Mr. Peck! 

Holiday World continues to send the message to the "big boys" that a park CAN be run succesfully and have as it's number one priority the enjoyment, safety, comfort, and even pocketbook of each and every guest. How many of the large parks had an 8% increase in attendance this year?  Not many. 

Holiday World and all who work there are a Class Act. 

*** This post was edited by Mamoosh on 10/12/2001. ***

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Friday, October 12, 2001 6:38 AM
At $400,000, I believe this has to be the most generous present to coaster enthusiasts yet. My ONLY two complaints about HW were single train on Legend and that cursed Gerstlaur train.  Now I won't have ANYTHING to complain about!   ;)

- Sandy "What's Moosh doing here?" Nicolaysen

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Friday, October 12, 2001 8:14 AM
Sweet!  Get rid of that Gerstlauer train!  A Gerstlauer train can seriously RUIN a perfectly good woodie.  Ex: Look at SFWoA's Villian.  I didn't enjoy it at all, due to the Gerstlauer.

Bring on the Philadelphia Toboggan Company!  This is a great change!

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Friday, October 12, 2001 8:25 AM
I think you guys are being a little harsh on the gerstlauer train, i didn't find it to be that bad.  The legend is, afterall, an intense and somewhat violent ride regardless of the kind of train used.  I have not ridden the Villain though, so i can't judge that one.
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Friday, October 12, 2001 8:58 AM
I personally love how the Gerstlauers run, but I look forward to the 2 train operation with arms open wide! It will remain my #1 woodie. Now we CAN look back, as long as there aren't headrests!
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Friday, October 12, 2001 9:08 AM
what will these new traisn look like? i have heard of the lame before but any coasters have these types of trains so i can compare them? or anyone have a link where i can see a picture of them?
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Friday, October 12, 2001 12:02 PM
Well, Gerstlauer trains aren't perfect same with PTCs, they both have their pros & cons.

Holiday World makes Disney look like Six Flags.

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Friday, October 12, 2001 1:29 PM
I have mixed reactions about this one.  I personally liked getting the snot knocked out of me with the Gerstlauer trains.  I always felt like I was getting tossed out of the train.  But..... I live for the ultimate coaster train..... the PTC special.  What really makes me excited is the 2 train operation!!!  SRM will totally totally kick some major butt this next year with better capacity and ZOOMbabwe opening.  Holiday World, YOU ROCK!!!!!
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Friday, October 12, 2001 1:30 PM
d7droog52, the Gerstlauer's on Villain didn't make much of a difference IMO due to the fact that Villain is an airtime out-n-back layout.  Legend, on the other hand, has LOTS of laterals!
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Friday, October 12, 2001 3:05 PM
Gerstlauers are brutal on lateral coasters. The Hurricane at Myrtle Beach is simply brutal just because of the stinkin' Gerstlauers. PTC's are awesome!
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Friday, October 12, 2001 3:56 PM
know what would be cool... If more of Kennywood's Jack rabbit's custom designed Andy Vettel Trains would get put into op.
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Friday, October 12, 2001 6:50 PM

what will these new traisn look like? i have heard of the lame before but any coasters have these types of trains so i can compare them? or anyone have a link where i can see a picture of them?

Shivering Timbers and GhostRider are two woodies that use PTC trains. So you should get an idea of what Legend's new trains should look like.

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Friday, October 12, 2001 7:22 PM
Duke said: Holiday World makes Disney look like Six Flags.

Watch yer mouth there kiddo. I LOVE Holiday World more than the average guest. But I cant let ya go around bad mouthing Disney either...
lata,
jeremy
--who would love to work @ DisneyLand

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Saturday, October 13, 2001 10:29 AM
gatorwoodie- I am glad you mentioned the trains on villain. I have only ridden 2 CCI coasters. GhosterRider and Villain. Though Villain was OK, Ghostrider is probably my #2 all-time coaster right now. What really gets me about Ghostrider is how it can take its course(which is relentless with turns and hills) at such a non-stop high speed, and still stay smooth enough to enjoy. Villain, whos track is good, but quite a bit tamer  than GhostRider, seems a bit rougher. Could these trains make that much difference??? Apparently so! I would emplore CCI to recommend that parks use only PTC trains on there rides if they make the ride that much better. It will only make CCI's reputation even better than it already is. I hope to get out to Holiday World someday, but I live in Phoenix and must be VERY particular about which park(s) I choose to travel to on the other side of the country. I really would like to try another TOP CCI with PTC trains.
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Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:48 PM
I just have to say: WOW! This is amazing news. What a great gesture by Holiday World to improve on a near perfect coaster. This will only make the experience at the park that much more enjoyable next year.
I am in awe of the operations at HW. This is one park that truly cares what the guests (and enthusiasts) have to say about their fabulous park.

Tony!
-who will be dreaming of SRM '02 and the "ultra-fast" (and friendly)dispatching of the Legend trains!

p.s. I wonder if this will affect many peoples decisions on returning to SRM next year. Can you say: "capacity"?

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Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:21 AM
I never realized it only ran one train. How strange..

-Nate

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Sunday, October 14, 2001 1:00 PM
i have never ridden legend, but i am planning a coaster trip to HW next summer. First of all, let me say, i did ride villian a few weeks ago and it could have easily been my #1 coaster, but the gerstlauer trains prohibited that.  i felt like i wasnt free to move in my seat, and this is coming from a 130 pound 14 y/ old.  i am happy to hear that legend is getting rid of the gerstlauers and adding PTC's. im sure that the g's on legend (from what i hear) will be much better. cant wait to ride it next year!
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Monday, October 15, 2001 4:47 PM
I'm confused. People didn't like the trains because they were too confining. People didn't like the trains because they let riders slip and bounce around too much.

Which viewpoint is correct ?
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