Lawyer wants answers in Knott's death

Posted Wednesday, September 5, 2001 5:19 AM | Contributed by Jeff

A lawyer representing the family of the victim who died on Montezooma's Revenge says he wants closure for the family. While no suit has been filed, the brother of the victim says that the park should be responsible.

Read more from The LA Times.

[Ed. note: I'd like to briefly comment that I expect the family to be angry and upset about the death of a family member. I sincerely regret their loss. However, the opportunistic lawyer is the type of person who gives those who practice law a bad name. The investigation hasn't even been concluded, and already she's talking about legal action. What makes her intention so obvious is her statement that, "These rides are being built bigger, higher, faster and more dangerous." That's playing into the emotional hype over ride safety. People in the know realize that the ride in question is 23-years old, with 44 million rides. That's hardly "bigger, higher, faster and more dangerous." -Jeff]

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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 5:32 AM
This is EXACTLY the kind of media-seeking, ambulance-chasing scum that makes people equate lawyers with sharks (which incidentally are ALSO all over the news lately)
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 5:44 AM
what GregLeg said
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 7:02 AM
I am going to school to become a lawyer, and it is a shame that people like this lawyer exist.  They hype up a tragdy. She says the family wants closure but how is that going to happen if this becomes a court case? I would think it would bring more pain and suffering to an already grieve stricken family.
Wednesday, September 5, 2001 8:05 AM
Just another lawyer looking to empty the deep pockets of the park and their insurance company.  The park should be held responsible?  Didn't this lady have a pre-existing medical condition?  I am deeply saddened for this loss of life, but this is a little ridiculous.  If you know that you probably shouldn't go on the rides because of a condition, then you are riding at YOUR OWN RISK.  Period.  End of story.  The park shouldn't be held liable for someone not following the rules.  Unfortunately, the park and their insurance will likely settle this without a long, drawn out court case, and pay this family the money that they ask for.  
Wednesday, September 5, 2001 9:11 AM
Pre-existing condition, yes.  Known pre-existing condition, probably not.  How is someone going to know they've got a brain aneurysm waiting to burst?  They really aren't.  That's just the really bad luck of the draw.
Wednesday, September 5, 2001 11:44 AM
My step-aunt had a brain aneurysm burst shoveling snow for crying out loud.  She never knew she had one.  She got lucky and has survived it.  Although she is not quite the same since.  Next they will be trying to sue the family doctor for not catching it in time.  As for me if I die on a coaster I die a happy man!  At least I would be doing something I love when it was my time.
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 1:22 PM
There is no viable lawsuit here.  The key to liability is negligence--what, if anything, did the park do wrong, or fail to do.  Answer: Nothing.  I'm sure they had all the usual warning signs posted.  There is absolutely no liability on the park and I expect their insurance company will fight this vigorously. (An insurance defense lawyer).
Wednesday, September 5, 2001 1:38 PM
This is getting out of hand! I am am sorry that people have died on coasters from health conditions and my prayers go to there family! What I don't get is why do they want to blame the park and make them responsible? That just pisses me off, thats insane, the park is not at fault, as we have said before they have a quazibillion signs saying that if you have certain health problems than you shouldn't ride! So these people didn't know they had brain probs Etc.. there family should just understand that it could have happened anywhere! I am a firm believer in "if it's your time to go your gonna go no matter where you are"! There are not that may people that cheat death and if they do It will get them the next time around! I have no health problems that I know of but my family has already been informed by me that if I am riding a coaster and I die from a heart attack or some other medical condition that they are to just let it be and not get stupid and start suing and all that other legal crap! It was my choice to ride, if I died on a coaster at least I died happy and doing what I LOVE:), if your gonna go- go with a smile!!!:):)


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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 1:45 PM
This truly is rediculous. Acording to this whacked-up lawyer, Millennium Force is more dangerous than MR because it's faster and taller.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 2:15 PM
this was a tragic event, but MR has been SO safe over the years and is NOT responsible for her death..Attorneys like these give BAD raps to other honest claimants...and really look like bottom feeding scum!

This was just a really bad day, she was at the wrong place at the wrong time..but Knott's doesn't look liable to me...

As for closure... let her go in peace and dont drag her memory through the court just for some blood money!

Wednesday, September 5, 2001 2:26 PM
Beast, you're hilarious. It's the same with me too, but as with this little media thing, I think they are blowing it way out of proportion. Look at what happened to the lady that rode Goliath at SFMM. She went in the same way, only quicker. She didn't know, but the lady from the Knott's incident did, didn't she? They have signs posted all over the park for crying out loud! They all say the same thing. DOn't ride this ride if you have a condition. This rider knew she had something wrong with her, so why didn't she listen to the advice on those stupid little signs? Yeah, it is sad that she died, but you can't blame the park for it. After all, like someone said earlier, the ride has gone incident - less for the past, what is it now? 23 years?!?! What are they going to try to do? Completely shut this down or, even worse, try to fight CF for this loss, when it wasn't their fault?!? Does anybody, besides myself, see the ludicracy in this whole thing?
Wednesday, September 5, 2001 2:41 PM
. "But if a person is not aware that they have something, and - I don't know, that's kind of hard to warn somebody if they're not aware of it."

I do not think she knew she had a condition that would be this seriously effected...I guess we will find out more soon...

It is just really sad, but it doesnt mean that the brother needs to sue Knott's now. Thats just going for dirty money and being greedy.

Dont be so surprised by my comments ..:).. People like this make it very difficult for other legitimate claims to be taken seriously and with respect..this does not help make anything better but line the atty's pockets with 33-50% of any money the brother will get..and we dont need atty's like this making this delicate arena worse!

Wednesday, September 5, 2001 3:06 PM
I think this is Crazy, This is clearly not Knotts Fault, The Incident must have happened because of a condition/medical illness she had but probably didnt know about. And I hope they dont plan on sueing the park, because again, I think this is absolutly crazy, In a way, If the Woman knew she had this condition/medical illness, Then its her fault. Knotts probably have Signs everywhere saying If you have any of these conditions blah blah blah, Then Dont Ride this. Those Signs are there for a Reason, and if she knew she had some kind of Condition/medical illness, then she should fully know not to ride it.

Also, I hope they dont close Monte down perminatly(sp) I absolutly loved this ride when I visited Knotts about 5 years ago, It was the sort of ride which was so addictive, it was hard to get off it at times(I rode it 5 times straight when I went, 5 mins queue each time) And also regaurding to that comment made by Jeff, Out of those 44 Million Rides, I believe Knotts said this has been their First serious Incident with a Guest on the coaster ever since it opened, so this has techinclly been a 44 million to 1 Shot. They cant close it down simply because of this Fact, It has a extremly Proud Safety Record, and hopefully this will save it from being closed down. *** This post was edited by PaulD on 9/5/2001. ***

Wednesday, September 5, 2001 3:54 PM
dont worry this isnt going to get anywhere, its obvious that the coaster didnt kill her(well, maybe it triggered it off, but it would have happened anyway) so they wont have to change it

and dont blame the family, most people dont know as much about coasters as we do and they just believe whatever the media feeds them

heck yesterday my mom suddenly thought coasters were evil because she saw that stupid 10,000 injuries thing in the paper, and she wouldnt believe me when i told her they were safe

Wednesday, September 5, 2001 4:39 PM
Has anybody noticed that the person involved in this latest unfortunate incident, and the women who expired on Goliath were both from Corona? This is getting a little too weird.If I were a M.E., I'd start looking at the area these people lived in. Two people of approximately the same age, living in the same community, expiring from ruptured anuerysm after riding a roller coaster within weeks of each other. What are the odds of that?
Wednesday, September 5, 2001 7:08 PM
This is so dumb...
If Monte was so dangerous then why didn't everyone else in the train die as well??
Certainly it is awful when someone dies, but I hate to say that people are just trying to make a dollar off of the tragedy.

By the way in this mornings Orange County Register, they had the caption saying the coaster was Montezoomas Revenge, but a picture of Boomerang. SIGH...

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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 7:28 PM
As an industry vet here, I should keep my mouth shut, but that poor coaster is probably one of the most precision engineered models of a ride ever built. If the hourly capacity was better, they would have been in almost every park, like log flumes such.

Cedar Point is getting welcomed to California in a great big legal way. That ride is fine, and DOES NOT do anything faster than a ride on the freeway. At 33 seconds long, I don't think much can happen. Cedar Fair's standards of maintaining rides lead the American park industry far ahead of other park chains.

I hope this never becomes a lawsuit, and if it does, Kinzel unloads the best lawyers on the opening volley, and goes to press preparing to countersue for defamation and just plain taking up valuable time (which is what lawyers do best). These people will see what deep pockets can do very quickly.

I am betting this ride opens this weekend, with long lines, and thousands of smiles.

Wednesday, September 5, 2001 10:37 PM
It makes you wonder if the lawyer for the family of the deceased even bothered to check into the case of the Goliath incident. Especially being in the same state should make it easier for this lawyer to get access to the outcome of pre-existing conditions that are not the fault of a coaster(indirectly). This ride however based on my experience with endless rides on Tidal Wave(exact same coaster to MR) gives intense G's into the loop. That is probably where the rider experienced death.
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Thursday, September 6, 2001 5:19 AM
Right on, Agent Johnson. Does anyone remember when the kid fell out of Mine Ride at CP? It was clearly the fault of the rider (actually the rider's father), and they sued CP and Arrow. Arrow settled, CP fought it and won.

Injury and death are sad, but more often than not the responsibility is with the rider, not the park.

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