Knotts "Revolution" a chance

Screamscape is reporting that Knotts's new ride "Revolution" is a "Chance revolution 32" http://home.planet.nl/~souil002/ab.htm. I was seriously hoping it would of been a Huss Giant Frisbe :-(

I prefer an Afterburner over a Frisbee anytime!

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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!

Afterburners are fun but I was hoping for a Frisbee, too ;)

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"Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx

I've ridden neither so what's the differance?

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Joe Barnett
Forum Moderator/Editorial Writer
www.pkiunlimited.com

An Afterburner is like an inverted Frisbee.

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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!

I find the largest difference, aside from the floor/floorless seating, is that the Frisbee swings freely where as the Afterburner/Revolution is motor driven. Kicker tires control the Frisbee’s swinging. After the "tub" passes the kicker tires, gravity takes over. The other models require a motor to push the tub and, in my experience, don't offer the floating sensation that the Frisbee does.

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Karl
http://www.twistedrails.com

Last year during the Kentucky State Fair, I had a few rides by myself on their Afterburner, called "Feurball". Now I've never been on a Frisbee, but I can tell you that Afterburners are insanely awsome. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

--Ryan

So it's still a good ride I take it?

It's an excellent ride. I've never ridden a frisbee, but many people I've talked to feel the Afterburner is a far superior ride. KMG's ride is intense and powerful, and you can feel that in the swinging of the seats. The acceleration into the swinging is nothing short of incredible; while the Huss ride takes several swings to get to full height, the Afterburner can easily get there in two or three swings. Plus, the Afterburner swings higher (further) than the Frisbee, almost to the point where riders are inverted, in fact. Knott's made a fantastic choice.

-Nate

The Afterburner goes up to a 120 degree arc so 30 degrees past horizontal. Not sure what the Frisbee's swing gets to.

Jim Wolgamuth
Looking forward to riding the Afterburner at CCity come May.

I rode the Afterburner at the York Fair, and I can say that it is an incredible, insane ride. If everything goes well with Revolution at Knotts, maybe we'll see more of them around Cedar Fairs parks (hopefully Dorney).

I like the Frisbee way more than the Afterburner. Frisbee is more about the Swinging, while the Afterburner (due to the motorized swinging) is more about the faster and extremer spinning.

This is probably a question that can't be answered too well, but. . .

is it that the Afterburners are cheaper than Frisbees or something? It seems like the Afterburner is popping up *everywhere*, while there remains to be reasonably few Frisbees.

I've never ridden an Afterburner, but I really do adore Frisbees. The freefall sensation, coupled with spinning, is great fun. There are other rides that do it better, but they are even harder to find than Frisbees.

While I found the Afterburner to be great looking, and provide a good dropping sensation- the frisbee offers a better spinning sensation. I always stumble off frisbees with dizzyness. The Afterburner just never did it for me. It should be interesting to see how the Giant Frisbee will compare to the Afterburner...

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Formally Suspended Andrew, proud member since May 2001.

ClarkChavez: The Afterburner I rode didn't spin at a constant pace. It would speed up and slow down whereas the Frisbee keeps a constant speed. Perhaps that is why the Afterburner never "did it" for you.

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Karl
http://www.twistedrails.com

One reason you may be seeing Afterburners pop up everywhere is that many different companies make similar rides. For example:

KMG Afterburner: http://home.planet.nl/~souil002/ab.htm
Zamperla Discovery: http://www.zamperlarides.com/main/section2/discovery2.htm
Fabbri Space Jam: http://www.fabbrigroup.com/products/prod_more_info.cfm?client=0&pro_id=74&sel_famiglia=&forum=1&sel_tipo_giostra=&cat_emoz=extreme%20sensation&page=priv
Chance Revolution http://www.rides.com/new_rides.html (no official page)

To the best of my knowledge no one else makes something exactly like a frisbee, but of course I could be wrong.

I have ridden both, and while it's certainly possible that I got a bad program on the KMG ride, I have ridden a couple of different frisbees, both of which were awesome rides that didn't dissapoint. The combination of constant spinning and smooth swinging up to full height makes the ride much more fun than the counter part.

-Ride_Op

While I loved the Afterburner at the York Fair, ride the Frisbee at Fiesta Texas, and then get back to me. The programming was awesome.
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If you have a problem with clones, the solution is real simple—Stop traveling.

"is it that the Afterburners are cheaper than Frisbees or something? It seems like the Afterburner is popping up *everywhere*, while there remains to be reasonably few Frisbees."

Very much so. An Afterburner (the two-trailer version) costs around $600,000 (or so), while a park-model Frisbee costs around $2.5-3 million. It is important to remember that the Chance Revolution 32 (which uses KMG's engineering specs.) is a ground mount, larger and costs more than the trailer model.

"To the best of my knowledge no one else makes something exactly like a frisbee, but of course I could be wrong."

SBF (Dance Party) & Fabbri (Boomerang) both offer them. I believe that there may be a SBF version at one of the SF parks Europe (maybe Holland) and Bosque Magico has a Fabbri Boomerang.

Adam
*** This post was edited by LONNOL 2/24/2003 9:30:29 PM ***

A-ha! That makes sense, then. :)

Still, despite their being many manufacturers of similar rides, the KMG Afterburner seems to be most popular among them. Or, at least, that's what I've noticed. . . and that's speaking only of park installations of these rides. I wouldn't even attempt to keep track of what's traveling around.

The price difference is astounding, really. I know better, but I would expect traveling rides to cost more than park models. After all, there's all of the additional engineering involved in making the ride portable and efficient.

"Still, despite their being many manufacturers of similar rides, the KMG Afterburner seems to be most popular among them. Or, at least, that's what I've noticed. . . and that's speaking only of park installations of these rides. I wouldn't even attempt to keep track of what's traveling around."

KMG pegged a winner with this one and was way out in front of the competition when developing and selling it. This is really the first big year for the so-called inverted Frisbee ride, before this only a handful of parks in the U.S. (Oaks, Branson USA/CC had Afterburners, PGA had a Rev 32 and there are probably a few I am missing) had this style of ride. As far as I know, all of the Afterburners sold to parks were trailer-mounted, I don't think a ground-mount Afterburner has been installed yet. As usual, the American carnival industry was several years ahead of the park industry when it came to this flat ride trend.

"The price difference is astounding, really. I know better, but I would expect traveling rides to cost more than park models. After all, there's all of the additional engineering involved in making the ride portable and efficient."

This price comparison is a little off because Huss is probably the most expensive flat ride manufacturer out there and that is being compared to a two-trailer carnival ride from KMG, who is known for being affordable-yet-competetive in thier pricing. Generally, yes if you compare equal rides, a park-model Power Surge to a portable Power Surge, a park-model Top Scan to a portable Top Scan, etc., it is cheaper to buy the park model (unless its used). For instance, if you bought a new trailer-mounted Huss Frisbee it would probably cost 3-4 million because of the racking and five (I believe) trucks needed to transport it. Funtastic Shows on the West Coast travels with one of these (the only one in the U.S. that moves) and it is a sight to behold. It is especially nice because it was bought used from Germany so it has a very nice backflash.

Adam
*** This post was edited by LONNOL 2/25/2003 12:41:31 AM ***