Knoebels has dress code police?

You're still whining because you didn't get what you wanted...an open Flying Turns.

If Knoebels had announced a date the year they started building it for it to be finished, I'd have given them just as much grief as Shoot the Rapids and anything else any major park has added that didn't open on time.

But they never gave a date.

Camden Crazy said: I'd put $100 on it.

Just $100? Not feeling very confident, are you?

While I don't care one way or another, I'm amused the Knoebel's gets a free pass to open it "when it's done" but any mean and evil corporate park would get blasted for delays.

...but any mean and evil corporate park would get blasted for delays.

Knoebels has never set an opening date, but most other parks do. If Six Flags or Cedar Fair parks would stop giving out opening dates, I personally wouldn't give them a hassle.

Not trying to cause any problems, just elaborating...

Note that in the StR thread earlier (and not even thinking about KFT), I copied/pasted where the press release stated clearly "ride on Opening Day 2010". Knoebels *obviously* gets something of a free pass from me, and many others, because it's a favored park. It would be silly to deny that....so I won't.

But the point remains, KG stated that this was NOT a typical "new coaster installation". I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to ride Black Diamond at PPP and *still* have no Turns. But Turns has never had a stated date for ride opening where there was an unfulfilled promise. Because no promises have been made regarding opening. I can guarantee that Dick & Co. aren't any happier about the delays with Turns than any of us are - and probably wayyyyy moreso. But work *is* continuing to try and get the ride open....just please remember that said work involves the trains, so that means there isn't necessarily going to be any *visible* signs of work on Turns from the park patrons' perspective.

Mamoosh said:

Camden Crazy said: I'd put $100 on it.

Just $100? Not feeling very confident, are you?

I'm a college student with a part time job...I need to be conservative with the money I gamble with.

All I am asking is for updates. The website reads "Watch this spot for further developments". I have been watching for almost a year now and it still indicated a chance it might be ready for 2009! Updates don't need to have promises. It would be a perfect way for them to keep the public positive as they go!

Didn't Dick Knoebel's wife die in 2009? Perhaps he has more to think about than keeping people posted on the progress of his pet project.

You are correct about Coney Island Bobs. Fortunately, we know of a mechanic still alive and kicking, and I connected him with Knoebels, and some progress was made.

This same guy also worked on the Cyclone, and the Parachute Drop. We keep his name in the front of the rolodex for just such an occasion.

Jeff said:
While I don't care one way or another, I'm amused the Knoebel's gets a free pass to open it "when it's done" but any mean and evil corporate park would get blasted for delays.

The difference for me at least, is when Flying Turns is delayed, it's the Knoebels' own money that's being lost, not mine. When the mean and evil corporate parks (like CF, SF, and Disney) have rides that fail to open on time or go over cost, they're pissing around with other people's money-- namely the shareholders.

I understand that the M&ECPs are required to post opening dates because they're obligated to shareholders and the banks holding millions of dollars in debt for them. That's the other side of the double edged sword. The reason why they're obligated to these people is because these people have given the M&ECPs millions of dollars to work with in the form of investments.

I fail to see what investment Camden and Gary have at stake here, other than Knoebels is their home park and they want a new ride.

I'm going to make the safe bet that there aren't a lot of people around here who are in it for investment reasons. :)

LostKause: I seriously doubt Dick Knoebel is in charge of updating the site. While I am sympathetic for the family and I know Barb was a great lady (she planned my wedding!) I don't really think that is to blame.RatherGoodBear: I am not extremely upset that it isn't open yet, I am upset with the lack of communication with the public. I still go to Knoebels at least every other week! I just wish they would keep their website more up to date one because they said they were going to (it bothers me when people don't do what they imply they will) and two it would end speculation by people like us!

So Knoebles owes a big explanation to the 1% of their market that knows about or cares about the status of Flying Turns?

Gary B said:
I am not extremely upset that it isn't open yet, I am upset with the lack of communication with the public. I still go to Knoebels at least every other week! I just wish they would keep their website more up to date one because they said they were going to (it bothers me when people don't do what they imply they will) and two it would end speculation by people like us!

What more communication with the public do you need other than what the park has already stated.... "It will open when it opens".

And you kind of contradict yourself when you say you go to the park every other week but don't update their website.....if you're there and don't see it open....is there really a need to check a website for progress? Would it be nice to have updates? Sure, but I'm not sure that you (or some others) would even be happy with what they update it with anyhow.

Gary B said:
LostKause: I seriously doubt Dick Knoebel is in charge of updating the site. While I am sympathetic for the family and I know Barb was a great lady (she planned my wedding!) I don't really think that is to blame.RatherGoodBear: I am not extremely upset that it isn't open yet, I am upset with the lack of communication with the public. I still go to Knoebels at least every other week! I just wish they would keep their website more up to date one because they said they were going to (it bothers me when people don't do what they imply they will) and two it would end speculation by people like us!

More power to you...I haven't been there since last June and probably won't go again unless they decide to actually do something and open the ride.

f2006 seriously. Chill out. You don't even make any damn sense. Yes I am at the park all the time. Yes I see a structure standing there. That is one heck of an update!Bigboy... I guess the answer to your question is no. They don't owe me anything. However I feel, and I may be wrong, that they are not delivering what they implied they would under the news section of the website. Can anybody really argue that point?