Knoebels announces they are working on a classic!
The point is to have variety and in this case something very unique and retro. Classic rides are fun simply for their nostalgia. I bet this one will be a blast. Matt is happy about this one.
AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf
:)
OK, after 4 posts we got ya already-- you don't understand. No need to keep repeating it over and over.
Since none of the answers you got the first three times you asked the same question were correct, tell you what, I'll lean over and you can whisper the right answer in my ear. Then I can post it, and you can say correct, and we can move on. Unless this is one of those trick questions where there is no correct answer.
As far as your statement that rides from the 1920's are unsafe, I wish someone had told me that before I rode the Jack Rabbit and Kennywood Racer this summer. I never realized my life was in such peril. And what coaster is Knoebels Twister based on? And when was that built?
As far as sound business decisions, it's only been two days and already there's a lot of buzz. Do you think there'd be the same interest if they had announced they were putting up a clone of PKD's Avalanche? This thread would have probably gotten 50 views and maybe 8 comments. And most of those would say "they took out Whirlwind for that?" Yep, announcing construction of a metal piss trough would stack up well with the announcements from HW and SFGAdv.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that Messrs. Knoebel and Fetterman have been to more trade shows, and personally know more manufacturers than you, Nate. I'm sure they have their reasons why they think they could do a better job in house to recreate a wooden FT instead of paying a European manufacturer to deliver a steel one. Maybe it's price, maybe it's something else, but I'm sure they know what options are available to them, and the pros and cons of each. I doubt they came up with this idea on October 7 just to have something to announce on October 8.
But if it really bothers you that much, why don't you send a letter to Mr. Knoebel and tell him of your concern. I'm sure once he reads it, he'll see the light and drop the whole project.
I usually say that I don't like or "get" knoebels. After Saturday my opinion has changed drasticly. I think I'm starting to understand the parks appeal.
Barry, My friends and I entered the parade as a group. We were the "Beef Chiefs". I was a mad butcher, chasing my friend who was an inflated cow, with a cleaver. My other friend was the butcher's wife, and little JD was the Grim Reaper waiting for the cow's death so he could take her to the afterlife. you guessed it, we didn't win. But boy, it was a hoot.
Oh...Flying Turns? Hey, that looks like fun. It will fit perfectly into Knoebels lineup of classics reborn. It will be yet another attraction to make park guests feel like they stepped into the past.
I think that it looks wicked awesome!
coasterdude318 said:
I've never gotten even an ounce of airtime on that thing. I think it's strange and more than a little toolish that enthusiasts drool over a kiddie coaster.
You're right, Nate. As always, you have me nailed.
Your a**-backwards way of thinking never ceases to amaze me. Because you have never received any airtime on the Overland coaster, that means everyone that has and expresses some kind of affection for the ride is a tool? Personally, I think a better definition of a tool is someone who makes idiotic comments on a coaster site just for the sake of trying to proving himself more knowledgable than everyone else. In which case, you are clearly one of this site's poster children. Funny how some people think that just by disagreeing with others, they think themselves so much better.
In case you've been spending too much time with your head stuck up Six Flags' a**, let me (and everyone else) remind you that Knoebels has been winning the game they've been playing for more than 75 years. If you want to look at a park with their finger on the pulse of the public, go to Elysburg. What has that park done that has failed? I can't think of anything they've done that has tarnished their perfect image. They have a spotless safety record, they see yearly attendance increases and they manage to thrive at a time when traditional parks are once again on the decline. Knoebels' flying turns recreation will do more for that park than anything Six Flags has done in the past decade- mark my words. By the time the flying turns funds Knoebels' next major attraction, Six Flags will probably have closed another three or four parks.
Besides, what the hell do you know about flying turns rides? You know for a fact that a Mack or Intamin bobsled would accomplish what Knoebels is trying to accomplish with their new ride? If you have ever bothered to do a little research on flying turns rides, you would know that there is little in common between them and modern bobsled rides. They are too entirely different animals and it doesn't take anyone with riding experience or a great deal of intelligence to see that. Knoebels doesn't want a bobsled. If they wanted a bobsled, they would get a bobsled. Just like they wanted a looper. If they wanted something flashy from Chance or Zamperla, they would have gotten something flashy from Chance or Zamperla.
I used to think that you actually had something useful to contribute to the conversation around here but considering how you pop up out of your hole only to slam small parks for their decisions while defending the infinite wisdom of theme park companies publicly traded, I'm convinced you're nothing more than an attention-starved troll.
Or, as you like to put it, a tool.
Now you can tear my post apart and quote fifteen different things that I said just like you always do.
do you really think a succesfull amusement park like Knoebels would build something like this and not think about all those things you mention
I don't know if they would or not. Knoebels is not (and never has been) a typical park making typical decisions. I just don't really get what they're trying to accomplish. It's like going back and rebuilding the Crystal Beach Cyclone. Sure, it could probably be done, but why? It was torn down for a reason.
You don't have to get it Nate. You don't even have to ride it. The rest of us will.
See, this is exactly what I thought would happen. Everyone reads my comments as saying "it's going to be a terrible ride." That's not what I said at all. I think it's an odd decision. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want to ride it.
Since none of the answers you got the first three times you asked the same question were correct, tell you what, I'll lean over and you can whisper the right answer in my ear.
Nobody answered the question I asked, only the question they wrongfully assumed I asked. I think discussing this is far more interesting than reading 50 posts that say "Woahh!! I can't wait!!!" *yawn* How boring.
As far as your statement that rides from the 1920's are unsafe, I wish someone had told me that before I rode the Jack Rabbit and Kennywood Racer this summer.
Neither the Jackrabbit nor the Racer operate with the same technology that existed in 1920. But that's really irrelevant, because I didn't say *all* rides from the 1920's were dangerous. Perhaps you should bother reading my post before hitting the "reply" button so quickly.
As far as sound business decisions, it's only been two days and already there's a lot of buzz. Do you think there'd be the same interest if they had announced they were putting up a clone of PKD's Avalanche?
I think there'd be a lot of buzz no matter what Knoebels would have chosen to add, yes. But on top of that, what does it matter what enthusiasts are saying? That's hardly representative of how the general population is going to respond.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that Messrs. Knoebel and Fetterman have been to more trade shows, and personally know more manufacturers than you, Nate
Hmm...when, exactly, did I claim otherwise?
But if it really bothers you that much, why don't you send a letter to Mr. Knoebel and tell him of your concern. I'm sure once he reads it, he'll see the light and drop the whole project.
And where, exactly, did I say they should drop the whole project? Once again, try reading the posts first. It's kool!!!
Your a**-backwards way of thinking never ceases to amaze me.
I find it hilarious that any opinion that doesn't match yours or your numberonewoodencoasterfanboyclub's opinion is "ass backward."
In case you've been spending too much time with your head stuck up Six Flags' a**, let me (and everyone else) remind you that Knoebels has been winning the game they've been playing for more than 75 years.
When did I question Knoebels' ability to succeed in this industry? Does anyone here read anymore?
If you have ever bothered to do a little research on flying turns rides, you would know that there is little in common between them and modern bobsled rides.
A bobsled ride is a bobsled. If you really expect a perfect recreation of the 1920's rides (which, by several accounts I've seen, seemed rather dangerous), I think you're in for a disappointment.
I used to think that you actually had something useful to contribute to the conversation around here but considering how you pop up out of your hole only to slam small parks for their decisions while defending the infinite wisdom of theme park companies publicly traded, I'm convinced you're nothing more than an attention-starved troll.
LOL!!! Yeah, you really have ME nailed. I'm a wooden-coaster-and-small-park-hating corperate fiend. Lock me up. Excuse me for actually questioning the "why" of a rather unexpected (and unheard of) decision rather than just bowing down and worshipping like the rest of the fanboys. I certainly don't think it's any coincidence that the most vicious arguers here are the people in your little club.
-Nate
Talk about delusional. You claim that pages upon pages of posts heaping praise upon Knoebels is boring, yet you clearly have a few hours to take quotes from various posts and respond to them in great detail. You appear from out of nowhere and refer to an appreciation of the Overland coaster as "toolish behavior" and then wonder why people get on your case? Are you really that dense, or are you one of the weird people in this world that thrive on being disliked? Perhaps being disliked is the only way that you get the attention you seem to crave so much?
Without getting into any detail, I will say that the ride Knoebels has planned will very closely match an original flying turns ride. That isn't a statement pulled out of thin air, it's a fact. If and when the ride gets built, I look forward to seeing you put your foot in that big mouth of yours.
As for the people agreeing with me, hardly any of them are members of the Wood Coaster Fan Club, the majority of them are merely enthusiasts that are excited over what this means. Which proves, once again, that your statements are based on nothing more than blind assumptions. Which makes debating with you a complete and utter waste of time.
-numberonewoodencoasterfanboy
I've been to Knoebels a few times and they don't always run the HSTC in insane mode so it could be as tame as a herschell when slowed or flat out insane with the lift running fast.
He does have a point there.
Chuck
Rob,
It's funny that you'd claim my life must be boring if I replied to your post, yet you were there to reply mere minutes later. Don't be a hypocrite. I'm not responding to the boring posts that heap praises on an unbuilt ride because there's nothing to say. That's exactly what makes them boring. I'm only responding to the people who took issue with my post. See a difference?
I don't care whether you like that Overland ride or not. I do think it's odd, however, to rave about it like a hypercoaster. That's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. And for the record, I've ridden it during PPP.
Regarding this flying turns - IF it's built (which speaks exactly to what I was saying with my original post) - what would I put my foot in my mouth about? I said I think it's an odd business decision, and wanted to discuss that. Clearly that isn't allowed in a group of people who'd rather just ooh and aah over the announcement. Just because you decided my post said I thought the ride will suck doesn't mean that's what I really said. Perhaps you should read this thread before you jump down my throat (and I didn't even critisize the coaster itself!).
Oh, and as for your claim that "hardly any" of the people arguing your point are members of your club, I can't help but notice that at least three of you have a link to that club in your signatures. So much for that.
-Nate
*** Edited 10/11/2005 5:10:07 AM UTC by coasterdude318***
There's more to coasters (and life in general) than big thrills. I really don't understand why so many people get hung up on the idea that if something isn't one million billion feet tall and goes past plad it isn't fun.
Don't know about the rest of ya, but any time a new coaster is announced, or in this case, 'proposed', I get excited!
Just think, the last bobsled built was Trace du Hourra at Parc Asterix and that thing... well, cost as much as an hyper coaster!!!! 10 millions euros for a bobsled coaster is not worth it. Like I said in another topic, Holiday Park build an Intamin hyper coaster for 10 million euros. But then... maybe its just Mack. They seem to specialise in expensive junk.
Anyway, what have you heard about Flying Turns being unsafe? The only one I'm aware of that was not successful was the Lake Placid Bobsled at Palisades Park (and if you look at a picture of it, you'll see that it was quite a bit different from the others). All the other rides were safe and popular. They're defunct because the parks they lived in closed down for various reasons (reasons unrelated to the safety or fun factor of the flying turns).
Rob Ascough said:How could I forget about the Overland coaster, especially when its airtime embarrasses that on most hyper coasters. That thing should be declared a national landmark. Hopefully the park finishes repainting it in the offseason.
Yeah, that short comment really rivals the amount of praise I have heaped upon Nitro and Phantom's Revenge in the past few years.
Honestly, I have no time to argue with you, Nate. There is way too much stuff going on right now in the industry for me to talk about without having to worry about your baseless opinions. The bottom line is, you came into this conversation for the sole purpose of pointing out why you feel everyone who supports this plan is wrong. And not only that, you quoted me (just as you always do) and then act all surprised when I jump back at you. I don't know why you've chosen to make me your shooting target but in the end, I couldn't care less. If stuff like this bothers you or you fail to "understand" after a dozen or so people explain it to you, go elsewhere.
If this were Six Flags I think you could question the decision as odd, but this is Knoebels, they thrive on these types of projects. They relocated a coaster by number the pieces of wood when they dismantled it, they maintain a set of Flyers when everyone else is taking theirs away, they renovated the Looper, they maintain a classic set of bumper cars, the list continues on and on.
And I think its hysterical that you quoted every single thing in Rob's post. How long did that take you?!
Ok, it's time for me to talk for a change. I've been a member/ observer of this site for many years now, even though I don't post as often as I should. First, for the members who may not understand, let me explain that being a 'roller coaster enthusiast' comes in many shapes and sizes. This is a wonderful, innocent, and life-friendly (nevermind the BEST) hobby that anyone can have! With that in mind, one must realize that being an enthusiast means appreciating not only the ride aspect of the hobby, but also the novelty as well as the history.
The flying turns coaster was just a figment of the past until this announcement. How many people wish that they could go back in time and ride the Crystal Beach cyclone or other classics that no longer exist? By recreating this classic, Knoebels is giving the World a chance to experience something that most of us have never experienced. YES, I am more a fan of intense gravity, long drops, and tear-forming speed, but being a well-rounded enthusiast, I understand that being able to ride something that no one has experienced in nearly 70 years is something amazingly special. Knoebels is making this decision because the majority of their clientelle visit NOT for a phantom's revenge type of ride, but for that old time American feel that has been lost for the ages. This park captures something that was lost.........an innocent and fun time at a family style park.
People that bash the building of ANY new coaster, in my mind, 'poser enthusiasts.' Everone should be happy that something new is being provided for us and our checklists instead of some standard run of the mill Intamin with a slightly different track layout that's dubbed 'original.' When this coaster was built, I will take a break from my Kingda-Ka antics and enjoy this masterpiece for what it will be, just as I did with leap-the-dips at lakemont. Since everybody gets something different from a good ride and appreciates different aspects of it, no one should criticize someone else for their opinion.
Coasterdude, you need to just lay back a bit and understand that people here are here for one reason.......the love for all and any non-painful (well, maybe some) coaster on this Earth. We are enthusiasts here, and no matter what depressing events may be occuring in the news or around the World, this is something that we all share in common that is special. If someone says "ride the high speed thrill coaster, it's an airtime machine", first, give the damn thing a try. If you don't like it, then say so, but drop the criticism of opinion.
Half of the coasters I've ridden have been due to the opinions of loyal members of this board (kudos to moosh, scorpion, Jeff, etc.) While I may not agree with all of them, I respect what they have to say because we're all in it for the same thing. So instead of creating intense drama on this site, save yourself from writing an absurdly long post like this one, get to a park, and absorb a few hundred feet of freefall. It will be a much better utilization of your time, I promise :-).
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