I live in Cincinnati and "ucsigep" is correct. However, there is a major study going on to have a rail system built by that time. Do I want the Olympics here in Cincinnat? Not really. We need to focus on other issues that are going on at this moment that will take time to heal.
I agree, coasterdude. I remember a couple years ago when they first started talking about a rail system, even before the Olympic idea. When I was in school it would've been great to have! Ride the train up to the park from Clifton. That's one key part of Cleveland I've always loved. Easiest way to go to the Flats? The Rapid. Don't have to worry about driving drunk, paying big bucks to take a cab, or any of that. Now if they just build the rail system here so I can ride it from Fairfield to downtown. That's one hell of a cab fare! :)
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I'm not crazy about Cinci as a city, but it really appears to be on a rebound the last decade or so (riots aside). The venues would make pretty good TV, if you ask me, though I do wonder why they'd put baseball all the way up in Cleveland, not that I'm complaining.
Just put the volleyball where I can get to it, indoor and out!
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In looking at the olympic proposal I think it is feasible. I would like to see it here. I also think that the Olympics are being used as a way to get some sort of rail mass transit system. If you have the games you need a system to get people around. They made a proposal to the federal govt. for funds to help build one and they said there is no immediate need for it. My question is what would building a Kayaking center and a mountain biking center do for PKI. What incentive does it bring them? Yeah some big time international exposure but for the long haul could they keep them and incorporate them into the park somehow?
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Well, Jeff, there's a lot of us who live here that wonder the same things. The problems with the policing of the city will subside in time (after all we are talking about 10 years) and hopefully issues like that can be resolved peacefully.
As far as a 'rebound' of the city, I personally can't see it within the downtown area, since it mostly seems the same to me with the exception of the Riverfront. But, if we are talking suburbia included, then yes there is a lot of growth activity, especially out King's Island's way (Mason/West Chester). I suspect that once they get the Great American Ballpark and the Underground Railroad Museum built, the riverfront will be nice again, but it doesn't help the northern fringe of the city (what is known as Over The Rhine). The downtown area has always been divided as such, north and south, and until they clear that division up a bit, I can't see the Olympics being very well received here.
As far as the baseball thing, I think the GAB and Jacob's Field will still be hosting Reds and Indians games during that time. So sending the prelim rounds to the Jake will allow for the Reds to play at home for week one and on the road for week two of the Games, and visa versa.
I think volleyball would be all local (UC - Shoemaker Center for indoor, by the river for outdoor.)
The biggest obstacles this city faces in hosting is transportation (the light rail issue is key) and taxes. We would have to build another stadium and an Olympic villiage on the river (according to the diagrams) to host since Paul Brown stadium and GAB won't be big enough to host track and field. Given how hard it was to get a sales tax increase for two new stadiums, I can only speculate how bad it'll be for an even larger venue and an Olympic villiage to try to pass by voters.
Cincy is a really conservative town and it has an uphill battle on its hands.
I also am currently living in Cincinnati and am a student of Architecture at the University of Cincinnati. The Olympic proposal is of great interest to our college, especially the Urban Planners. Several design studios have been developed around revitalizing Cincinnati and make it an Olympic caliber city. One of the most interesting proposals we made in an Urban Design/Architecture studio I was in was to pressure the city to route the light rail system in such a way that the University has at least one stop. As it stood, the rail would just follow I-71 almost the entire length. We were successful in our quest and now UC has 2 stops and the Zoo has a stop...kinda odd that they didn't have it before. My point is, the lack of obvious forsight on the light rail planning does not bode well for other developments. Just recently, they had to compleletey redesign and reconstruct I-71 along the riverfront because it was so poorly designed and very dangerous. Some other intereesting thigs to note is that the new Bengals stadium can be expanded with temporary seats to bring it close to 90,0000 and there is a proposal to put a tensile fabric dome over Nippert Stadum here at UC...i beleive it seats 20000 and will be used for volleyball. I've seen plans for a "temporary 120,000 seat venue west of the Benglas stadium for track and field...(temporary 120,000?!?!) As far as Shoemaker Center goes, the talk is that our wise university is going to tear it down in favor of an off campus venue but that's not confirmed. Possibly it could be in conjunction with a new arena for the Bearcats, Stuff, and the Cyclones as well as concert events. Over-the-Rhine, or OTR as the locals call it, is poised for a great renewal. The crux of why the trigger hasn't been pulled (bad thing to say) is the residents fear they will be forced out. They have formed a grass-roots campaign to fight developers from buying large amouts of property, they've fought a 'facade beautification' program where the city would give several million dollars to owners of buildings along streets to renovate and clean their building's facade. What's really impressive is that 85% of the residents of OTR rent, not own the buildings in question. They don't pay property tax, yet they are dictating what you can and cant' do in their neigborhood...that's pretty strong stuff. OTR is a resource, architecturally speaking as it has the largest collection of pre-1900 buildings in North America. The olympic proposal will force the revitalization of OTR and, unfortunatly, some residents will be displaced. I'm not for or against the proposal, but theres no chance in hell that Cincy will get it.
I think that the OTR area should be revitalized. I live in Ft. Thomas, which is right across the Big Mac bridge (for anyone who lives or knows about it) in northern Kentucky, and we have a very nice view of Cincinnati. We can see all the construction of the area, and its almost like OTR is dark all the time. Even when you look at it when the sun is hitting it, it just looks dark. I say a major renovation is in order. Riots and that area put aside, the bid wouldnt be that outrageous. If Cincinnati can fix these two areas, you can probabily count Cinci as a strong big. And for those who think that Cinci doesnt stand a chance: thats Bull crap. Why would the planning commission go this far with the city if they dont stand a chance? Exactly, they wouldnt. A couple of years ago when Atlanta had the olympics, Cinci also bid on those. They werent even considered, because the commission knew they didnt have a chance. Now they actually have one, and I think they have a strong chance.
What does PKI have to gain? A Sports Complex. Hey, story goes that PKI wants to immitate those Orlando parks, and look what the World of Sports did for Disneyworld. The Kayak and Mountain BIke facilities could be just a couple ammenties at a new high $$$$ resort hotel that would be located behind PKI. (That land behind PKI could give some mountain bikers a run for the gold, alrgiht)
Then they could rename the Racer into the Olympic Racer, and do some other cheesey tacky spin off's. I'd suggest renaming the games midway "Olympic Try Outs" but it seems another amusement park thought of that one the a couple olympics ago.
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ucdaap, I have to agree with you on many points, except one. Granted, the shoe is too small for Olympic events, but to be honest I don't see them tearing it down for quite a while. Granted, I graduated last year and haven't been around campus much, but when I was there I did a lot with the Athletic Department. The Shoe is only 11 years old, and they built it so that the Bearcats could play on campus. Previously they played at the Gardens or the Coliseum. But, only time will tell, I guess. But no matter, I do agree that Cincy most likely won't get the Olympics.
P.S. What year are you, ucdaap? I had 2 of my fraternity bros. graduate this year in arc.
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Sorry to spoil the party gang...but the US city that will get the 2012 Olympic bid will be New York. I am expecting when the IOC votes in 2005 for Moscow to win...(unless Toronto tries again, then it will win, but I doubt it cause Canada is up for the 2010 Winter Games)...
We don't know who's going to get the bid, so there's no "spoiling the party."
No doubt Cincy's a longshot, but USOC officials were said to be very impressed with the Cincinnati bid, and that they have no doubt about the city's capability to put on a world class Olympics. They did site transportation as a problem area, and have instructed "Cincinnati 2012" to continue working on that area.
I think it would be great to have a whitewater facility at PKI.
They are competing against houston and tampa/orlando plus new york city. SI say's there is no chance that cincy get's the bid, however official's said they would not have visited if they thought cincy was not worthy.