Kingda Ka article.

Sunday, June 5, 2005 12:23 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/20/earlyshow/leisure/main696741.shtml

Says roller coaster historian Steve Urbanowicz, "It's really in its own category."
Urbanowicz says he's been on 875 coasters around the world. But none like this"

He must never leave the NY/NJ area. Just because it is a tad bigger and a tad faster than dragster doesnt put it in "its own category".

Just more proof that New Yorkers and New Jersians dont beleive a world exists outside of there states.

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 12:28 AM
No, it's just proof that people lie in front of cameras. For further proof see any Paul Reuben coaster interview.

Like beauty, truth is in the eye of the beholder. He probably has been on none like that. It's the only green 400+ ft. rocket. It's the only Rocket with a big bunny hop, etc. Get it?

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 12:29 AM
Man what is with everyone? It's a newspaper article, people are allowed to have opinions. Chill man. :)

People do/say stupid things (by others definition) in front of others for attention/publicity. Basic definition of ADD/ADHD. *** Edited 6/5/2005 4:30:39 AM UTC by Kyle Fobe***

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 12:29 AM
He didn't say anything untrue. There is not another coaster on earth that is 456 feet tall, launches that fast, has that camel hump, etc.

This is the correct way to yap about a new ride at a new park. At least Steve didn't say it was his "New #1 Coaster!!!!!!!".

And it isn't that they don't believe a world exists outside of those states, it is that they don't care. Much like the Ohioans who don't care that TTD isn't the tallest/fastest one trick pony anymore.

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 12:31 AM
When you get further from the city, you get credability. From Buffalo:

http://buffalonews.com/editorial/20050529/1062671.asp

"Its nearest competitor is the Top Thrill Dragster at the Cedar Point amusement park in Sandusky, Ohio, which stands 420-feet tall and launches its passengers to 120 mph in four seconds."

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 12:32 AM
So what, news reporters don't always get all the facts straight and look around. Besides it's his opinon, he thinks so. I agree with with you all the way but it's not that important to start a whole topic over what one enthusiast think, he was probably too excited in words, anyway.
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 12:37 AM
here we go with the anti-new york bs. please people...
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 12:43 AM
Again, I don't see the big deal. Do you really think that someone who is at SFGAdv is going to talk about the other big time rocket coaster? Its called promotion. I'd rather hear it this way than "This is the first and only 400' coaster ON THE PLANET", when that isn't even true...
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:01 AM
When TTD Opened it was the first over 400 feet tall.Superman the escape only travels 328.1 feet up the tower.http://www.rcdb.com/id140.htm
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:07 AM

TeknoScorpion said:


I'd rather hear it this way than "This is the first and only 400' coaster ON THE PLANET", when that isn't even true...


The way it is written, that is the way the target market (NY/NJ) will think. You know they are never wrong, they have the best of everything. To them, the Yankees are having a great season.

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:08 AM
How far it travels matters not. Superman is 415' tall. Top Thrill Dragster is 420' tall. Supes travels (supposedly) 328' up. TTD has only a 400' drop height, and a 400' launch height. Does that mean that TTD only counts as 400'?
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:08 AM
I'm much more amused by the closing paragraph of the article:

"Engineers at Great Adventure say it's possible to build a faster, taller coaster. But, observes Axelrod, given the expense and the practical limits of today's technology, Kingda Ka is likely to be the heavyweight champ of coaster for quite some time."

Call me crazy, but wasn't this said of TTD upon opening? And Tekno, you're right. I (as an Ohioan) don't care that it's no longer the tallest and fastest. It's still fun! (but I'd rather be riding Raptor or Millie...)

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:09 AM
Not to mention that Kingda Ka won't be a heavyweight for that long.
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:23 AM
When CP's current CEO leaves in 07 they'll easily beat KK.
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:27 AM
Maybe it's time for certain individuals to find a new hobby perhaps?

In the grand scheme of things, does any of this really matter?

Changed the topic title. "Load of crap" doesn't cut it around here as a title. *** Edited 6/5/2005 5:29:41 AM UTC by Chitown***

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:28 AM
I give it two seasons before another park sees how they can market the hell out of record-breaking rockets...
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:33 AM
I give Kingda Ka one season before SFI breaks their own record...
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:38 AM

1EyedJack said:

The way it is written, that is the way the target market (NY/NJ) will think. You know they are never wrong, they have the best of everything. To them, the Yankees are having a great season.


First of all, as a Yankee fan, I can tell you that they're NOT having a great season, and if you picked up a single newspaper in the New York metropolitan area, you'd know that.

Second of all, every statement in your post is 100% unbacked conjecture. You haven't stated a single fact or at least presented an opinion that you could reasonably back up. How do you know what the NY/NJ market will think of one particular quote in a newspaper? I directed that article to about 20 people I know (about half of whom are enthusiasts, and four of whom actually rode TTD with me last year) and none of them took the kind of offense you did. And since when are you the categorization judge? You probably took that title right around the same time you decided that spewing stereotypical statements about a particular region makes you qualified to analyze that region.

And since when is what was said wrong anyway? The opinion can be reasonably backed up (and has been throughout this post) and all the facts are straight. Just because they cut stuff out isn't deceptive; it's good marketing. I'd love to see you run the Six Flags marketing department -- when your "world's tallest and fastest coaster, but only by a few feet...oh yeah, and there's something 500 miles west kinda like it, but it's good enough for out here" banner goes up, I wanna be there. That doesn't sell papers and that doesn't sell theme park tickets. Wake up: Six Flags and Cedar Fair are competitors in the same line of business. 99% of people don't care how similar TTD and KK are -- if SF can use KK and say "world's tallest and fastest coaster," people will come to see it, simple as that.

What's it gonna take to shut the fanboys' whining mouths? I know I've been a bit long-winded here (bad night, I needed to vent SOMEWHERE; sue me), but it's just a damn roller coaster. Chitown said it: There are more important things to analyze so deeply.

*** Edited 6/5/2005 5:40:09 AM UTC by Nitro Dave***

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Sunday, June 5, 2005 1:46 AM
Amen.
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Sunday, June 5, 2005 6:18 AM

TeknoScorpion said:
I give Kingda Ka one season before SFI breaks their own record...

I wouldn't be suprised if it did happen, I mean, case in point - Chang and The Riddler's Revenge. Both were Six Flags properties in '97 and '98 when Kentucky Kingdom opened a stand-up bigger than Mantis only to have its California sister park squash it out of the picture the next season.

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