Kanonen, another new Rocket for 2005...

Saturday, October 2, 2004 1:20 AM
I know its been mentioned before, and it goes to disprove all those who doubted there would be more rockets, as there are 2 being built next year (oddly enough, the tallest/fastest rocket ever going to one park, and the smallest/slowest going to another park:)).

Kanonen (Foreign language for Canon;)), which is going to Liseberg park looks pretty cool. Two inversions, including the first Verticle loop on a rocket, pretty blue track, and a 78'foot tall tophat, with about 40mph.

Its kinda cute! I would rather see this coming to the states than Kingda Ka, actually, esp. at a park that could use a launcher like PCar (hint, paramount, hint).

Its on RCDB with stats and Pix here:

Saturday, October 2, 2004 2:00 AM
I really don't know how Intamin got a top hat that danged tiny! It really is a "cute" ride though, short but very interesting layout!
Saturday, October 2, 2004 3:22 AM
Awwwww........a kiddy rocket coaster!

I would like to see one of these as well in the states. It just looks too adorable. :-D

0 to 46 in 3 seconds! woohoo! ;-)

Saturday, October 2, 2004 10:33 AM
Wait, why is the launch time so slow? Is that what Liseberg wanted or are hydrolic launching systems better suited for faster accelerations? *** Edited 10/2/2004 2:36:07 PM UTC by coasterMNguy...***
Saturday, October 2, 2004 10:38 AM
Sweet! A cool layout along with it! Too bad I won't be able to ride it.
Saturday, October 2, 2004 11:23 AM
I'm sure that it's what Liseberg ordered. TTD definitely get's up to 46MPH in much less than 3 seconds. Obviously, so does Xcelerator.

Do they use different motors for the smaller rockets or is it the same hardware run differently?

Saturday, October 2, 2004 12:31 PM
That is so cool!

Saturday, October 2, 2004 12:59 PM
I think we may be getting a bit carried away with the "bigger isn't better"...while a smaller ride can still be loads of fun, under 50 mph for a "rocket" coaster is taking the idea to a bit of an extreme IMHO. Not saying this will be a bad ride at all, but I think I'd disagree with Tekno and take Kingda Ka.

Edit: Another thought just came to mind. Would it be more economical on this ride to use LIMs instead of the hydraulic launch? I know they probably thought of this, but LIMs could surely give you 46 mph in 3 seconds. The hydraulics seem a bit overkill here, but perhaps they were thinking of their electric bill. *** Edited 10/2/2004 5:02:34 PM UTC by mantis man***

Saturday, October 2, 2004 2:10 PM
Is Intamin ever going to take a lesson from Premier and take the Top Hat from the *correct* side? ;)

Not that this thing is a bad idea at all, cheaper even than a B:TR....and I think this park may have a *HangOver* from their last dalliance with an invert...;)

Saturday, October 2, 2004 4:17 PM
I can see both sides of this argument.

While I definately think Kanonen has a more imaginative layout, I do think in a launched ride, the launch has to be one of the highlights of the ride. 0-45 mph just isn't overly thrilling IMO. That's like the initial launch on Intamin Impulses.

That being said, I do think it's a nice looking ride, but the launch mechanism does sound like overkill especially with the problem TTD had with its wire cable this year. I also find it pretty pricey when considering Intamin's flawed reliability.

Saturday, October 2, 2004 4:19 PM
Nice! Looks like the zero G roll happens through the center of the loop from that pic. Hmm I wonder if this could become the rocket layout that smaller US parks will try to clone like they did with Batman.
Saturday, October 2, 2004 4:26 PM

coasterqueenTRN said:
Awwwww........a kiddy rocket coaster!

I would like to see one of these as well in the states. It just looks too adorable. :-D

0 to 46 in 3 seconds! woohoo! ;-)

Even though it's small, they should keep the launch in the 70-80MPH range. Could you imagine the air time going over the top hat at a low height ? :) How many negative Gs can a body take for a brief instant anyway ? I know it's much less than positive Gs.

Saturday, October 2, 2004 4:52 PM
Kris, for reference, the *bunny hop* on Colossus that was QUITE influential on future designs maxed out at -2g.

Typically, I think the "strongest" airtime elements these days hover at around -1g to -1.5g, at the MOST intense. Laterals tend to hang *around* the same range, I think at times approching a BIT closer to 2g. Positives, by comparison, can and HAVE gone up to +6 to even +6.5g - offer no longer valid in NJ...;)

When you hear about *extreme* applications of g-forces, car wrecks and the like, people routinely survive "momentary" forces of upwards of 50-75g and even greater....and it makes you wonder WHAT they're growing (smoking?) in "The Garden State"...:)

While I want to LIKE these new launch coasters, I remain STRONGLY infatuated with the hypers they (intamin) built in the "pre-Excelerator" days...leave the launch coasters to Premier, at least they know WHICH side of a Top Hat to ride on...;)

bill, never met a dead horse I didn't want to beat...

Saturday, October 2, 2004 5:52 PM
I bet Cyclops pulls more than 1.5 neg g's, but I have not heard about this hill on Colossus.

As for the new Kanonen, would this be the new Intamin Bottle Rocket?

Saturday, October 2, 2004 7:08 PM
For this little of a ride, I still think it would be quite enjoyable and thrilling. Plus, with the stats saying it will go 0-46 in about 3 seconds, that should take a lot of stress and maintenance from the launch and hopefully it will be up and running all the time. Nice purchase!
Saturday, October 2, 2004 7:33 PM
What is "6,7750,000 USD"?
Saturday, October 2, 2004 9:15 PM
USD = US Dollars
Saturday, October 2, 2004 11:22 PM
I guessing that was a typo, because $67Mis a bit much for that ride. ;)

I too wish Intamin would go back to making S:RoS style hypers. Especially with the Stengel dive that has yet to make the port to the U.S. and/or some of the features on Thunder Dolphin (trick tracky stuff, being on top of a mall....ya know ;)).

Saturday, October 2, 2004 11:42 PM
If you need to accelerate to over 100 mph you need tremendous acceleration to keep the length of the track reasonable. If you need less speed then you don't need to accelerate so rapidly to keep the length of the track reasonable. Less acceleration allows the whole launch system much more economical.
Sunday, October 3, 2004 12:22 AM
Andy, $6.7 million...you were one digit off, not them, LOL...:)

That's why I said "cheaper than a B:TR." Personally, I'm liking Intamin to build more inverts, what's up with B&M/Vekoma having a virtual lock on the US market for those?

Rocket Invert in '06 anyone? The Europeans are due for another first-in-breed, aren't they? ;)

Hehe, I can see my in-box getting a hit or two over THAT one...


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