Is this a coaster? No not S:TE

Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:15 AM
Well, as we all know, there’s been numerous threads about whether Superman: The Escape (SFMM) is a coaster or not but that’s not the point of this post; even though I think S:TE is a coaster. What I’d like to ask is whether a ride with the following description would classify as a roller coaster.It has single-train cars that roll on a track. The “launching” mechanism is a lift system that could be considered similar to Déjà Vu using cables to lift the cars/trains to their starting position. The cars are then released and roll along a track to an end-point.In case you haven’t figured it out yet, the ride I’m describing is FreeFall at SFMM, which I believe was The Edge at SFGAm in years past. I know everyone is going to say this is a drop ride but given that it has cars that roll on a track couldn’t this be considered a roller coaster? Also, FreeFall and S:TE have the same basic track design with just differing “launching” systems and they both use single-car trains, it would seem to me if S:TE is a coaster than FreeFall could also be listed as a roller coaster.As a point of reference, here's a definition in Merriam-Webster’s dictionary a roller coaster is: “An elevated railway (as in an amusement park) constructed with sharp curves and steep inclines on which cars roll”. Just wondering. :)

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:33 AM

Technically Tumblebugs are rollercoasters.

(the Edge btw is now at Six Flags Ohio)

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:57 AM

This comes up everytime we discuss S:TE and I am betting this is gonna get closed but I have to say I agree.

A first generation freefall is in fact a coaster in my book giving Ceadr point and Magic Mountain 16 coasters. Boy that just thros the fuel on te fire doesnt it. Not really. I think most people discount tese as being roller coasters and I tend to agree. The manufactures and parks do not consider them roller coasters. But if the arrow fishook is built why would it be a coaster as it technically is just about the same as a first generation freefall.

This is very confusing don't you think?

-Brent

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:00 AM

well if its not a coaster neither is wicked twister

because they use the same ride launch system just a different layout

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:09 AM

Sam-

Why does this have to be wicked twister, why not S:UE or V2? Does it always have to become a CP vs MM thread?

Here is my explanation. To be a true roller coaster, a coaster must have either lateral movement or an articulated train.

A wild Mouse has no articulated train but has lateral movement. It's a coaster.

Linear Gale(The first impulse) has an articulated train but no lateral movement. It's a coaster.

A first generation freefall has neither and neither does S:TE

Do I believe S:te is a coaster? Yes

Do I believe Freefall is a coaster? No

I don't even go by my own explanations.

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:19 AM
LOL, MagnumForce! I agree Hyper technically by the definition of a " roller coaster" Impulses and Reverse free falls may not be coasters, but they just are! That is the way to put it! Now for 1 gen's, they fit the bill don't they? But wouldn't we have to call dark rides coasters? But those are powered. It's a tough call but all it does is drop, the track after is all brakes and the mechnisems to stand you up, it's to werid, but if the manufacter says it's not a coaster and they built it then it's not.

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:42 AM
My definition of a coaster is a car on wheels that are on a track, that gravity takes part during the course. I do think that drop rides like Demon Drop should be counted as coasters. They roll and gravity plays a part in there course. I also think S:TE, Wicked Twister, V2's and Linear Gale are coasters because they use wheels that roll along a track and gravity plays a part in the course.

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:07 AM
Magnum Force, geez chill out man!!!So defensive...

And I think a coaster is usualy describer in terms by how the GP sees it, a layout of some sort the has 2/3/4 rails, that has cross ties on it....but with a layout of some extent though...

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:13 AM

I din't know I needed to chill out i just know whenever these posts become MM vs CP they are closed.

I didn't think I was nasty about it. I apologize if I was.

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:42 AM

Why don't we cut to the chase and call them all "thrillrides". Ultimately that's what they are, and it would save alot of needless discussion. (lol)

Until I reallly got into coasters, I called everything with wheels and track a rollercoaster, including some flatrides. We have this need to label and group everything or it drives us nuts. If it doesn't have a group, we'll make one up. :)

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:59 AM
It rides on a track, it gos up and down ,uses gravity, excites most coaster fanatics,and genaral puplic,its a coaster to me, The argument should be weather its one or two coasters since it has two sides.....
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Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:17 PM

S:TE - Coaster? yes

Linear Gale - Coaster? yes

First Gen Freefall - Coaster? Yes

My definition of a coaster is if there's a car with wheels that uses gravity to move it up and or down a track........ it's a coaster.

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 1:07 PM
What type of drop ride is it?

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:38 PM

didn't somebody die on the 1st generation one at sfgam??? demon drop at CP was damn fun, but i would call it a thrill ride...not a coaster...

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:44 PM
It's this simple: If the manufacturer calls it a coaster...it's a coaster. If not, then it's not. That works for me and is consistent with virtually every ride in the world.

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 4:59 PM
While we're at it, what about S&S towers? They have cars and wheels and are powered (mostly) by gravity.
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Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:52 PM

the guy said:

didn't somebody die on the 1st generation one at sfgam??? demon drop at CP was damn fun, but i would call it a thrill ride...not a coaster...



There was an accident on The Edge at SFGAm the first year it was open but I don't think it was a death.

If I remember correctly, the car was lifted up the shaft but the mechanism released and the car fell straight back down the lift shaft slamming onto the ground. The people on the ride received severe back and neck injuries but no one died.

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Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:54 PM
ApolloAndy is correct in that all drop towers that I've paid any attention too have rails with wheels running on them. Not that I would consider an S&S tower a coaster.
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Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:44 PM
My beef is that how can the first generation free-fall not be considered a coaster, yet the reverse free-fall can...? It doesn't make sense. I believe they should be considered a coaster, and I'd like to see anyone come up with a reason for it not to be considered a coaster. They are even full circuit!

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Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:47 PM
I'm sorry, but i just can't consider drop-rides being coasters. What makes the difference is that for example S:TE moves along a Y and an X axis. Drop-rides just do the Y. IMHO there should be a certain change in direction in the path of the 'coaster' to be considered being a coaster. By the way, in Holland we call discussions like this: 'mierenneuken' :-)

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