Is Son Of Beast ever going to run three trains?

Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:14 AM
Ever since SOB was open I never have seen it run three trains. For the first year it ran two trains and had the third on the storage track. Its second year it only had two trains and the third was no where to be seen. I was lookin at some stats and i says that SOB is about a 3 min. ride and can average 1600 people per hour with three trains. Vortex is about 2:55 min. long and averages 1500 an hour with three trains.  So if there are only two trains on SOB its about 1066 people per hour.  If SOB ran three trains think of the wait time. Vortex averages less people and almost never has over a half an hour wait.  Think of how much faster the line would be if it ran three trains. I just think they should run three trains for a faster wait time.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:18 AM
I'd sure love to see 3 trains on Son of Beast! (3 GCI Millennium Flyers actually!) However, It may be too much wear and tear on the ride to run 3.  Those maintanence guys have their hands full with that ride!

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- Peabody

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:24 AM
I wish it would run three trains but IMO it would set up much.

Also Beast_Rocks adding a third train does not increase a rides capacity by one third. In other words letsw say Sob capacity is 1000 per hou adding a third train will not make it 1500 per hour, it should make it around 1300.

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D.o.t. Crew 2000
Flight of Fear/Wave Swinger crew 2001-2002

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:29 AM
Thats true FoF but adding another train would increase capacity and decrease wait time. At least a little bit.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:33 AM
According to my sources, FOF will remain a two train ride. The load times are just too long to be able to effectively see a difference with the third. Besides, I like FOF having the mid course break deactivated.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:34 AM
If they increased the train count you'd be sitting on the midcourse brake run for a few seconds. They'll always leave it at 2. I would like to see a new trains though. I like the style it's just I'd rather have them be like Colossus'. They're better and have bugs out of the design. That would make the ride a lot better IMO.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:38 AM
Was FoF a two train ride all last year. I thought it ran three trains after all the trains were converted to lap restraints.  Also, at pki.com it says that FoF runs 4 trains. I thought no way but did it when it was open?
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:18 PM
Beast_Rocks: when FOF still had OTSR's it ran three trains with 20 seats, even though it says 4 trains with 24 seats, last year with the lap bard it ran 2 trains all season long due to the increased load time.

John Peck: The Midcourse block brake was only "deactivated" as far as its use for trimming like it did all of 2000 and earlier, but is still used for blocking situations.

Pki fanatic: what ride were you talking about FOF or SOB?

 

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D.o.t. Crew 2000
Flight of Fear/Wave Swinger crew 2001-2002

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:24 PM
I'd say he's talking about SoB because everybody says it needs new trains when FoF just got new trains.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 12:53 PM
I thought FoF just got new lapbars, not new trains.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:57 PM
Geez, where to begin!

SOB has not nor will run three trains. 

FOF ran with a max 2 trains last season.  The third was stored in the "drum" but had been put back on the ride as of the last day.  These are not new trains, rather the same ones with a lap bar re-trofit.  They may seem new because one of the major changes involved the removal of the hardware around the headrest.  New backs were placed on the seat backs allieviating the "hump" on the back of each seat.

I personally hope that we do not see the third train on the ride if it means the mid-course block brakes would be turned back on.

Shaggy

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Shaggy
A.K.A. John K.

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:03 PM
Shaggy, why will SOB not run three trains?  Wear and tear?  Stacking?
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- Peabody
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:14 PM
No need.

It's capacity is fine, the crew would constantly stack trains.

I doubt it.

Shaggy

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Shaggy
A.K.A. John K.

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:26 PM
Hey Shaggy, I was just wondering if it is at all possible PKI will get new trains for SOB, or at least make them more comfortable!?  For 2000, they were fine with me, but ever since they took away the leg room, the trains suck.  What do you think?
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:39 PM
I was talking about SoB. It won't run htree trains cause PKI doesn't want people siting on the midcourse brake run waiting for it to have the next block clear. PKI has even stated this.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:51 PM

Shaggy said:
Geez, where to begin!
  FOF ran with a max 2 trains last season.  The third was stored in the "drum" but had been put back on the ride as of the last day.  These are not new trains, rather the same ones with a lap bar re-trofit.  They may seem new because one of the major changes involved the removal of the hardware around the headrest.  New backs were placed on the seat backs allieviating the "hump" on the back of each seat.
Shaggy
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Shaggy
A.K.A. John K.

Shaggy these are new trains the old ones can be found at maintence, also the third train was put on September 21 2001 and train 1 was moved to the side tracck and taken off for winter maintence shortly after.

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D.o.t. Crew 2000
Flight of Fear/Wave Swinger crew 2001-2002

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:55 PM
They aren't new trains. The guts of the old restraints may be sitting around somewhere.

The load times with Flight of Fear are because of that stupid belt that serves zero purpose. What if, through some freak of nature, the bar seperated from the train? Wouldn't hold you in then, would it? It would've made more sense to put a regular seat belt.

And regarding load times, the problem isn't 100% with the ride, it's partly the sad crew that ran it. With two stations that ride can and should run three trains.

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:56 PM
Jeff, they are new trains i've personally seen the old trains since the new trains were put on.
Also jeff its not the crew, according to an article on premiers website a while back the Flight of Fears were only going to run two trains with another to be stored. 
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 5:17 PM
FOF I have to disagree.  The train parts you have seen for FOF near the coaster maintenance area are actually hold overs from the very first train that ran on FOF.  Originally there were four trains for FOF.  The first train to ever run on the ride was never used and lies in a state of dissaray in storage.  I guarantee this is what you have seen. 

FOF operates with the very same trains, just re-habbed.  TRUST ME.

Jeffs point had nothing to do with what Premier did or did not say.  Although the crew was slower, the safety strap is a big hold up.  I would say the decision to use those helped dictate how many trains are now used on the ride.  They slowed the load process terribly and make it worse than when the shoulder restraints were used.

I worked the ride in 1998 when it still had OTSR's.  It was cumbersome enough then trying to get people secured in a timely manner, but cannot imgaine having to secure an extra strap to.

In all fairness Jeff, the GP is terrible at listening to directions, not panicing and loading speedily.  It may reflect poorly on the crew because trains do not launch as quickly as we would like.  However the tedious and frustrating process of restraining people who arent used to riding the coaster becomes very draining and does have it's effect on the crew.

In every train, on every coaster there is always at least one GP that holds the cycle up.  It is the law of nature.

Shaggy

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Shaggy
A.K.A. John K.

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 5:53 PM
Back to SOB, IMO SOB should only run 2 trains, its enough and will barely increase capacity due to setting up.

However i was just looking at RCCA's website, and it says that SOB is capable of operating with 4 trains or the addition of a seventh car per train, i personally dont see how since i beleive it only has 4 blocks,  4 blocks+4 trains= stalemate.

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D.o.t. Crew 2000
Flight of Fear/Wave Swinger crew 2001-2002

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