Is Paramount "out of touch"?

ApolloAndy's avatar
It is clear that Paramount knows what to do from the park as a whole perspective, but for the coasters, I still don't understand why they're putting in a Zamperla flyer anywhere, and why they never installed a hyper anywhere.

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ApolloAndy said:
It is clear that Paramount knows what to do from the park as a whole perspective, but for the coasters, I still don't understand why they're putting in a Zamperla flyer anywhere, and why they never installed a hyper anywhere.


I guess it all depends on location. For instance, the company thought an SLC would do go in Canada so they built one there. Guess, what. It did great there. That's probably the reason why they decided to put in a Flying Coaster there.

As for a hyper. I am sure they have looked at the options, and eventuallty we will see a steel hyper at a Paramount Park in the future, or maybe not. It all depends on what the park thinks is best for their area. While you and I would love to have a great new coaster to ride, the park has certain things they need to look at.

Perhaps a large steel hyper is not what they think would bring people in at this time.

-Sean

In all honesty Paramount could put just about whatever they want in Canada's Wonderland because it has no competition. There are no other parks in the Toronto area and driving down to Six Flags Darien Lake for a day at an amusement park isn't an option for most. As much as I would love to see a huge hypercoaster there, or even a B&M looper, I doubt that this will happen, or at least for quite awhile. Plus space is at a premium for this park, and I think that's the main reason for putting in the Zamperla, which for PCW is the perfect investment. Cheap ride with a neat catch that will attract thrill seekers to buy yet another season pass.

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The Coaster Kid

Roller coasters are more than just rides, they're a reason for living

Lets see... Six Flags losing money... Yet Paramount is doing just fine. But Paramount is the one "out of touch"? Yes, PKI (my home park) needs a new B&M coaster. I rode Scream! at SFMM and loved it, and hope they get a B&M floorless soon, but they are still doing very well. And Could it be that coasters aren't what people want anymore? I mean, look at some of the new flat rides! They can be even more exciting than coasters!
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Koster Frek
Look people alright a hyper is badly needed in Paramount. But Paramount knows what they are doing! They also no ways to bring the guests. They have clean parks, great rides, plus the atmosphere is good. It's great that Paramount gambles with new technology because new types of coasters attracts guest therefore making money.
When I went to PCW I thought that the park was in need of a staff of security to stop the in-line smokers. It was soooooo bad it ruined me and my Fiance's time at the park.

Second this park is a shadow of what it was in the earlier "90's clean family and thrill seaker atomsphere. Now they have built house's surrounding the park which makes the park look very cramped now, and the riff raff are in full effect.

The park is not hopeless but would need to invest in some real T.L.C and it can be better, I have seen the light before it can happen again.

P.S.- By the way the light isn't a zamperla Flying Coaster.

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Your Park only has 1 good coaster! That's too bad!
*** This post was edited by darienlakefan 9/1/2003 11:00:31 AM ***

i kinda like what there doing with the waterpark but i've been wanting a good steel coaster for soooooooo lonnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg!
Actualy I thought that the reason Canada's Wonderland never gets big rides has something to do with Money differences between the US and Canada.

Or thats what I've been told.

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What's so out of touch about a chain that try's to add something different?

What's so different about a water park?
The only thing certain Paramount Parks need to learn is how to landscape...
*** This post was edited by ghettocoaster 9/1/2003 7:35:01 PM ***

PT300 said:
What's so different about a water park?

If what Jeff Siebert told us today while at the park remains unchanged by opening, then the "new" waterpark will indeed be different than what we have seen before, at least in this area. I believe there may be a few very unique attractions that we have never seen at a waterpark before.

-Sean

Sean is exactly right.... think outside of the box.

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Shaggy

I hope that thinking outside the box will not result in Skyline Chilli flavored margaritas :-/

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NICK

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*** This post was edited by Spacecase8310 9/2/2003 11:24:04 AM ***

ApolloAndy's avatar
Granted, I am not an amusement park expert or a business expert and I certainly haven't seen their marketing poll results, but I can't imagine that a ride like Hypersonic gets the word of mouth recognition that something like S:RoS SFA or AC gets at the two nearest big competitors.

Maybe it seemed like a good idea at the time, but a nice reliable hyper (which most of them are) really seems like a better long term investment than a gimmicky unreliable ride with bad capacity (Volcano, H:XLC, Stealth, etc.)

Maybe these rides were all really cheap compared to hypers, (as they were prototypes) but I think the parks would be doing better with a hyper. (One of my GP friends commented when we went to PKD that there weren't any gut wrenching drops in the entire park).
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
"It's not a Toomer" - Arnold Schwartzenkoph
"Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know." -Jeff

Are you guys on something??? Paramount knows exactly what the guests want. The biggest complaint they get is not enough family rides. Too many thrill or adult rides. And since when did it become an issue where the coaster enthusiasts were not pleased or were going to be unpleased with PKD? Paramount is overcoming the competition. (and for anyone thinking that SFA was competition for PKD... Think again) Oh yeah, and Volcano and HXLC are far more reliable than S:ROS or Batwing or Two Face at that SF park in Maryland. Come on now, think, who welcomed the enthusiasts with welcome flags at each coaster, midway olympics, and a wonderful week of events at the park. It wasn't CP or SFA or BGW. It was PKD. Thanks for allowing me to post.

Sean Flaharty said:
If what Jeff Siebert told us today while at the park remains unchanged by opening, then the "new" waterpark will indeed be different than what we have seen before, at least in this area.

Well, I hadn't heard that before. ;)


damoniest said:
Are you guys on something??? Paramount knows exactly what the guests want. The biggest complaint they get is not enough family rides. Too many thrill or adult rides. And since when did it become an issue where the coaster enthusiasts were not pleased or were going to be unpleased with PKD? Paramount is overcoming the competition. (and for anyone thinking that SFA was competition for PKD... Think again) Oh yeah, and Volcano and HXLC are far more reliable than S:ROS or Batwing or Two Face at that SF park in Maryland. Come on now, think, who welcomed the enthusiasts with welcome flags at each coaster, midway olympics, and a wonderful week of events at the park. It wasn't CP or SFA or BGW. It was PKD. Thanks for allowing me to post.

Not enuf family rides? Tell ya what, i can spend days at PKI with my 2 yr old son. Thats rare. he loves all the kids stuff (that he can ride at least) at PKI. They are fine with kids stuff.

Their big bad coasters and flat rides are a bit outdated. The only really good flat ride they have is Delirium which blows away other flats. SOB was a joke. If I ride it, I have to go home because it beats the sh*t outt me. OL:FOF spent 3 years of suckyness before they figured out that it rides best without those headbanger shoulder restraints. Now its ok. VorteX beats the crap outta me and i cant ride it more than once in a day. The beast is the best of them all. Faceoff is a great ride, but the line is slow moving and its a very short ride. Top gun is only fun when you are bored. The racers have a nostalgic feel, but they are not a big bad coaster.

AND PLEASE STOP SAYING SOB IS A HYPER. Its a lame excuse for a rollercoaster and they should strip it of its Beast relationship and quit tarnishing the reputation of The Beast.

This park is WAY overdue for some real showstoppers. Its losing its lust fast.

However, there is a reason for this. PKI has spent the last few years building up a GREAT kiddie section. I like that. But this advancement has come at the cost of the coasters and thrill rides. I think PKI knows what they are doing and next on the list of improvements will be some key coasters. I just think they were trying to hang on to what they had for the time being while making the improvements elsewhere. Im hoping this poll we did will result in some better development decisions like the water park. I love the waterpark but your feet hurt so badly cuz of all the concrete you walk on to go everywhere.

I will hang out and see what comes of all this.

Paramount is most out of touch when it comes to theming a park. They are VERY in touch however with how to completely de-theme a park. Carowinds and Great America are prime examples of that, and Kings Island is on its way.

I agree, most of their coaster additons are mediocre at best. They did make a few right moves when they began to RE-add flat rides (but not nearly to the degree they were removed by them and Keco).

It seems that at the Paramount parks, there are NO new additions. Every new ride is a replacement for something else that has been taken out. While other parks continue to grow and accomodate more guest, the Paramount Parks keep their capacity at the same levels.

Yet they remain profitable and draw plenty of visitors. How?

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