Is it possible to 'Add on' to a coaster such as Kingda Ka and Stealth.

Saturday, October 8, 2005 8:49 AM
I have a question for you guys.

Do you reckon it is possible to extend the track of coasters such as TTD, Kingda and Stealth.

If we take the problem of land and space out of the equation (which would be tricky for TTD, KA would be ok and Stealth would need to go over water) would it be feasible??

I was a bit dissapointed with the layout of Stealth, i was hoping for a RITA type ending after the Tophat. Or something like Superman the escape here in Aussie.

Could it be a bit of a clever ploy by Thorpe. 2 coasters for the price of one. Get the coaster spike in attendance twice. Stealth will be huge when in opens, but lets be honest it is a 2 trick pony, and people will tire of it over the next couple of years. Just as they have done with Oblivion at Alton. Nemesis is still the favourite coaster-

So in 3 years, fill in a bit more of the lake (which is actually already in the pipeline) remove the brake fins from the camel hump and add to the existing track. An overbank turn here, another couple of airtime hills, an s bend, with the amount of speed that is available they could do anything.

I cant imagine the price of adding to the ride would be prohibitive, (now i am guessing) would it be the same as a couple of new flats?? Surely an extended ride with the features of an hypercoaster would be way more of a drawcard than a couple of flats, especially in the Uk where there are no Hypers.

Thoughts?? Comments??

James

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Saturday, October 8, 2005 9:05 AM
It is possible? Yes. Will it happen? I wouldn't count on it.
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Saturday, October 8, 2005 9:09 AM
Yes it is possible, look at V2 at SFMW.
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Saturday, October 8, 2005 9:36 AM
It would be possible of course, but I'm not sure people would fall for that trick. The changes would have to be substantial. I never rode the Steel Phantom before it got converted but other folks here could tell you whether the Phantom's Revenge version measurably increased the attendance at KW.

I'd also be concerned about modifying a ride to the extent that it becomes boring by being too long. Dragster is a very short ride but I think that is good in the sense that one can still feel the rush at the end of the ride. It's probably a sensation the designers intended. To make TTD 2 minutes longer may reduce its appeal to some people.

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Saturday, October 8, 2005 9:55 AM
Forgot about V2. It was changed out of necessity rather than choice but its a valid example.

Phantoms revenge was the one that made me think about the chances of extending a coaster. It, by all accounts worked. Turned an older less exciting coaster into a crowd puller.

Yes i agree you would not want to extend TTD too long so as to make it boring, but you have more speed there wasted than any other coaster. There is so much you could do with that speed without wrecking the intensity.

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Saturday, October 8, 2005 10:43 AM
foR TTD,kk,or stealth I do not think it would be worth it.

There would have to be so many changes done to this rides to do that that I think it would cost to much money.

The blocking would have to be totally changed.

The computer revamped to account for the braking changes .

Track taken appart , brake fins taken down, Track bought and added.

More testing done. For the cost it would take you could just put in another coaster.

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Saturday, October 8, 2005 2:58 PM
If a park were to spend millions to add a few more elements to a coaster, what would be the return on investment? How would they advertise that? "Top Thrill Dragster Now featuring extra hill and turn"??? I dont think the public would respond to that in the same way they did when Kenneywood almost completely re-branded and changed the profile of one of their coasters. That is why you dont see it very often.
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Saturday, October 8, 2005 3:58 PM
I remeber reading somewhere that Alton Towers was planning on making modifications to Rita like adding a Top Hat and some bunny hills or something like that further down the line. Will it ever actually happen I don't have any idea but the fact that this seemed to be the plan from the get go makes me beleive that it is "possible" to modify these rides. The real question that must be asked is would it be probable or profitable. Ok enough "able"s. So yeah, I agree with what others said it could happen but probably won't. *** Edited 10/8/2005 8:00:38 PM UTC by coaster_freak00***
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Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:53 PM
It sounds like someone's playing a little too much RCT

"Ok, let's try this and see if people get on.... ok, now let's try lengthening it a little bit... ok, now let's add a loop..." ;)

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Saturday, October 8, 2005 11:22 PM
Possible? Sure. Gonna happen? Nope.

As for V2.5, it didn't have anything 'added'. If anything, it had something taken away. A few extra feet on the back spike. This was done because of the city's requirements, not to give some new experience. Thankfully, someone got creative with the front spike.

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Sunday, October 9, 2005 1:04 AM
No way will they add on to these rides. Sure, it can be done, but who really cares? Plus, TTD and KK cost more than $20,000,000 to begin with, and adding more onto it would be expensive. The rides, though short, are great. I think the showcase of the rocket coaster is clearly the speed and aceleration time to that speed. Face it, we as humans like to go fast. This is the only place where we can acelerate quicker than the priciest sports car out there (0-128 mph in 3.5 secs. Few cars can acelerate to 60 mph in that time period).

Basically, it is a 4 to 5 trick pony (launch, rocketing into space, height, 270* twist, and/or an airtime hill). It's fun, and its still the only coaster where I was still feeling the rush in the brake run.

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Sunday, October 9, 2005 2:00 AM

coaster_freak00 said:
I remeber reading somewhere that Alton Towers was planning on making modifications to Rita like adding a Top Hat and some bunny hills or something like that further down the line. Will it ever actually happen I don't have any idea but the fact that this seemed to be the plan from the get go makes me beleive that it is "possible" to modify these rides.

Don't think so. The severe height restrictions at Alton are the very reason that Rita doesn't have a top hat. Om fact, some of the higher track sections on this ride are actually painted a different color than the main color scheme because of this. In other words- its not going to get any taller than it is right now!

It actually has a very decent length for a rocket coaster. So no, I'd say there is essentially no chance that Rita (or any other rocket) will ever be extended just for the sake of making a longer or better ride.

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Sunday, October 9, 2005 8:28 AM
Interesting.

I normally aggree with most of what is said on here by the masses, but am totally on a different wave length here.

I think its a viable option, both financially and commercially.

Each to his own.

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Sunday, October 9, 2005 9:40 AM
What about the SkyWheel in Skyline park in Germany? Same thing we are discussing, just not quite at the same level of modification. I believe they plan on making TWO additions in the future too!

But like most people here are saying, yes it is definitely possible, but I highly doubt it will ever happen. The cost would NOT be that prohibitive - all the expensive systems are alreay in place (launch mechanism and station). If a park with this type of ride wants to install something that is suited for this type of ride experience, then all that needs to be done is remove the pieces between the station and brakes, remove the brakes, and add in a whole coaster for the price of half.

To be honest, it sounds like a great idea to me. The people that love the launch and height still have that, and the people that crave a great layout get that...so everyone gets what they want. Only time will tell to see if any park managers are crazy enough to do something like this.

Kev

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Sunday, October 9, 2005 11:30 AM
You're right Mr. Doom, the Sky Wheel was designed to be extended twice and if you look at the new X-car coaster in Spain, its the Sky Wheel plus extension 1.
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Sunday, October 9, 2005 12:28 PM

DirtyApe said:

I'd also be concerned about modifying a ride to the extent that it becomes boring by being too long. Dragster is a very short ride but I think that is good in the sense that one can still feel the rush at the end of the ride. It's probably a sensation the designers intended. To make TTD 2 minutes longer may reduce its appeal to some people.


Couldn't have said it any beter.

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Sunday, October 9, 2005 4:06 PM
I think that alterations are possible for anywhere except for the tophat element.

I also think that it's an impractical thing to do and we'll probably never see it, but I would think that it COULD be done.

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Sunday, October 9, 2005 9:15 PM
Screw all those other coasters. Can we finally get a decent ending to Volcano the Blast Coaster? Back to the real world.
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Sunday, October 9, 2005 11:10 PM
Oh! I know! CF can modify TTD to have a bunny hill at the end where the final breaks are...
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Monday, October 10, 2005 12:36 AM

dannerman said:
Oh! I know! CF can modify TTD to have a bunny hill at the end where the final breaks are...

Except that the hill is so large that an airtime hill would have to be very large, taking a lot more space, and probably running into Iron Dragon.

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