Is Arrow on target?

Monday, September 9, 2002 4:18 PM
Does anyone know what has been going on with Arrow lately? I know that they had some sort of court hearing on August 15 ( I think ) and that's as much as I know.

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Monday, September 9, 2002 5:07 PM
I would like to know as well. Usually Screamscape keeps updates on Arrow.

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Monday, September 9, 2002 6:10 PM

The bankruptcy case will likely drag on until December at least.

Are they on track? Well, word on the street is that they're trying hard to close some deals, so I guess we'll see...

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:29 AM
For the sake of Arrow I hope that they do get those deals or get purchased by a reputable company that will not just completely erase their legacy but actually build on it and make the future Arrow products better than they are now. We all know Arrow was improving how it made rides and I can hope that they will get a chance to continue one way or another. I guess as the saying goes.....Only time will tell.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:59 AM

"We all know Arrow was improving how it made rides..."

Now that is the biggest joke I have heard all day. X certainly was not the model of perfection on new ride openings. Even considering it was a prototype.

Arrow has a history of building rides that are revolutionary, but at the same time, a history of substandard rides, many of which must be redesigned. (Magnum, Steel Phantom, Drachen Fire, Viper, Shockwave and Great American Scream Machine, just to name a few.)

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:24 AM
Please explain Tennessee Tornado at Dollywood. They improved how they made that ride compared to older loopers they made.

X was underdesigned partly due to several key engineers quitting or being fired. Part of it can be blamed on Six Flags for putting undo pressure on Arrow to get it done when they were clearly not ready to do so.

Yes Arrow has had it's problems and they do learn from them all the time.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:27 AM
bmp143: Arrow HAS grown by leaps and bounds in how they make rides. The problem with X is that it is SUCH a radical design that nobody else had the cojones to even attempt. Have you even ridden X or read the reviews of those who have?

You also failed to mention the Tennessee Tornado, a "modern" Arrow looper built AFTER all of your examples that is (according to everything I have heard from Buzzers) as smooth as any B&M looper. How on God's green earth can you call those rides you mentioned substandard rides? Magnum may not be the perfect ride, but it WAS rated the #1 steel coaster for what, 11 years in a row? Please.

I really hope Arrow can somehow survive.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:42 AM

I am not saying that all Arrow rides are poor, simply that the company has a history of building rides that must be reconfigured to be successful. See previous list.

X is a great ride and a unique experience, yes. But has not operated regularly since it was first opened.

To my knowledge, no B&M coaster has ever needed to be reprofiled in order to be fun and they certainly have never had significant problems with their prototype rides.

If I was forced to make a judgment, I would say that Arrow has poor engineering standards compared to some other coaster designers.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:19 AM

bmp143 said:

If I was forced to make a judgment, I would say that Arrow has poor engineering standards compared to some other coaster designers.



But that's just you, and you really have nothing to back it up with. B&M and Arrow aren't really comparable, mainly different decades. Remember that.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:30 AM

Hmm...

Batman The Ride opened at Great America in 1992. B&M must have been working on that design for a good two years prior. That was about the same time that Toomer was trying to get his pipeline coaster working.

We all know which design was successful.

*** This post was edited by bmp143 on 9/10/2002. ***

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:06 PM

The thing that B&M did right the first time is design a platform that could be reused in many different ways. All of their rides use essentially the same trains. It makes good sense. Heck, I take the same approach in software development. Build something you can reuse, tried and true, and get as much mileage out of it as possible.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:16 PM

The Mega Looper era wasn't the best for Arrow. Besides the ML's ; I think Arrow has created great coasters and rides. Suspended, Mine type, Hyper, Flumes, Monerails, Super Flumes, and car tracks. Most ,almost all, have been running great for decades.Arrow is still in use @ DisneyLand (1955).

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*** This post was edited by Coaster Bob on 9/10/2002. ***

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:29 PM

bmp143 said:

To my knowledge, no B&M coaster has ever needed to be reprofiled in order to be fun and they certainly have never had significant problems with their prototype rides.



How many problems did we have on AIR again? And Arrow track doesn't dent and bend like what happened to AIR.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 1:34 PM

The track on air didnt brake. It was one of the station arms which lifts the train into its prone possition which bent. It was replaced quickly and has never happened again. Air in now quite relable.

Has anyone ever died on a beemer due to it crashing? Has a beamer ever even crashed? and can u honestly say the is such a thing as a bad Beamer. Unlike Arrow were u strugle to find and good ones.

*** This post was edited by oakesy on 9/10/2002. ***

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:39 PM
oakesy, stop making up stuff you know nothing about in order to defend your precious B&M. It's a matter of opinions, and I can think of quite a few great Arrow coasters without stuttering. Starting with Matterhorn, Magnum, X, Tennesee Tornado and Titan.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 2:47 PM
If arrow survives they should make a Giga-magnum. Would that not be so cool?
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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:10 PM
No, it wouldnt be cool... DeJaVu with the Crystal Beach Cyclone all over again... "NURSE!"

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:26 PM

I am just hoping that some how Arrow can weather this storm and continue to perfect the 4-D. I'd like to see an Arrowbatic too. Hell even some more loopers like the TT. Arrow is a great company and has made some of the greatest advances in coaster technology to bring us where we are today. Even the Arrow haters have to admit that.

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:52 PM

Keep in mind, too, that the Arrows that get so much greif for being rough were designed with pancil, paper, and the occasional calculator.

Not until the 90's did roller coaster designers really take advantage of the computer...

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Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:07 PM
Great Arrow Coasters: Magnum,Gemini,Top Gun PKI and PCW, X, Lochness Monster, Big Bad Wolf, Viper SFMM, Vortex PKI, Adventure Express, Madd Mouse, Desperado,Canyon Blaster, and Tennesse Tornado. I'm sure there are many more that I haven't rode. let's not forget the rest of the world. P.S. I'm taking other enthuisasts words on TT and X

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X is UP and it's RUNNING

*** This post was edited by Coaster Bob on 9/10/2002. ***

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