Inverted Hypers
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Fav Steel: Millenium Force Fav Wood: Viper
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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
You must be this dumb to ride Viper. -SFGAdv.
Just to add to the fact that B&M don't always do what their customers ask for...
SFMM really wanted an in-line twist on Riddler, but B&M refused to do it.
Also, I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I remember hearing that Cedar Point wanted B&M to build MF, but they refused to do a 300 footer...
Back to the inverted hyper...
I think it would be a good idea, but probably won't happen for the many reasons listed above. I bet a 200 foot inverted coaster may be built, but not with the out and back layout that we all know and love.
Also, i doubt Vekoma or B&M would do it. I think it would be Intamin (how did we forget them?)
From what i hear, their continuous circut inverts (Tornado and Tornado) are just as smooth as any B&M, and are very intense. Also, the view is probably pretty good since the seating is 2X.
It probably wouldn't happen, but if a park wanted one, I bet they would ask Intamin.
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--Dingo 65--
http://rct.ogresnet.com
Forgotten member of Thrillride forums.
If you were riding around on 8month old coaster wheels then I think you got off *lucky* with the ride you got. These are not the "Goodyear Radials" that you slap on your Chevy. These wheels need to be replaced *far* more often than that. Weren't there reports that Millie's wheels had to be changed DAILY? 3 and 8 months old wheels can *surely* be a cause!
(but I dont think the wheels even approached those ages ;))
lata, jeremy
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"Sunshine, daisies, butter-mellow! Turn this stupid fat rat yellow!"
Well, Intamin inverteds aren't always smooth. The trains have to be refurbished every once and a while, or they may really hurt the guests. Take a look at the photo below, those Spanish guests aren't screaming because they're afraid, they're screaming of pain!
http://frank.drnk.net/gallery/?gal=pda&img=038_34A.jpg
Furthermore, I do think Vekoma will built a 300 feet inverted. So will Intamin. B&M definately not. :)
Concerning the wheels, perhaps it's a cultural difference of some sort, but the two major Dutch themeparks change wheels on their roller coaster about every one and a half year! Coasterwheels cost about 30 dollar each, so changing the wheels every day would be pretty expensive.
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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!
This just in from the Budget Department:
$8 million coaster - A definite yes.
$30 wheels - WTF? Absolutely not!
Listen, why don't you unwrap that flag from yourself as you post about Vekoma? Just because someone may not like them so much doesn't mean we don't like Dutch folks. Don't take it personally. There's no intra-European war involved when comparing them to B&Ms.
Say--if you're a Vekoma fan and you have lots of pics, can you show me a picture of the guy's head from which they designed the original Boomerang headrests? I would really like to see that. What fit comfortably in there? We must know...
-'Playa
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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 12/13/2002. ***
DRNK: The only thing you're doing is contributing to urban legends not based on any real facts. Unless you're pals with Walter and Claude, I believe what you say about as much as I do 'Playa. There's no reason we should believe you more than anyone else.
Besides you still haven't responded to my points that a) Alpengeist essentially is a 200-footer and b) the train system is essentially the same for inverters as it is on the hypers, many of which are over 200. That's in response to your original assertion that they would "never build a hyper inverted."
Never is a long time. Even if there was a shred of truth to what you said, I'm sure they'd start finding ways to build them bigger, because right now their competition is getting all of that work.
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com - Sillynonsense.com
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Jeff, believe me if you will. I really don't care. I just give you the information I have. You can do with it what you want. If you like to see my information as an urban legend, you may. :) Don't forget that people once thought that Galileo was a mad man as well, and saw his story of the earth revolving around the sun as an urban legend as well. Think about that.
I'm beginning to feel affected with the Cassandra-syndrom. :(
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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!
Not helping the cause at all, and a little OT, but:
I would honestly rather see a backwards train on a hyper before we see an inverted hyper. Or if nothing else, reverse two of the cars in the train - much like what they did on ThuNderaTion at SDC - and go with that. Talk about a draw card for the teens and...well us.
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SWOOSH
http://www.themeparksonline.org
(In cyberspace no one can hear you scream)
DRNK said:
Jeff, believe me if you will. I really don't care. I just give you the information I have. You can do with it what you want. If you like to see my information as an urban legend, you may. Don't forget that people once thought that Galileo was a mad man as well, and saw his story of the earth revolving around the sun as an urban legend as well. Think about that.
Wow. So, now DRNK is Galileo. Believe me. Your "theories" are no where as significant as Galileo's.
d8 - Who wonders why people have to compare themselves to dead people to feel good about themselves.
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"Getting on Iron Wolf is kind of like going in a blender and pressing PUREE"
--Ever lying in wait for someone to say something stupid.
$30 wheels sounds about right. In fact, I would almost think more. Have you ever lifted a road wheel from a B&M coaster? They are HEAVY! But, they are not replaced, they are sent away to have new Nylon/polyeurethane put on them. I remember in a behind the scenes coaster tour I took they said that B&M makes them ship the wheels back to them for refurbishing. Also they said that Arrow didn't care and they send their Arrow wheels to a local place to get redone.
You're saying European parks don't change wheels more than once in a year? Do you know that for a fact? Many American parks change some wheels on a daily/semi daily basis. In fact some coasters like MF have wheels that don't even go a whole day! Now, all 120 wheels on an MF train don't get changed every day, but many of us have seen some have to be changed in the middle of the day! Some wear fast!
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- Peabody
*** This post was edited by Peabody on 12/13/2002. ***
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Nemesis Inferno - The Pressure is Building!
DRNK: Okay, let me see if I can convey the message here:
How
Do
You
Know
?
Thge good people of CoasterBuzz aren't bad people (well, most of them), they've just heard so many rumors over the years that they NEED A SOURCE. Almost anything you say will need backup. Little things might slip by, but inside information on how one of the major coaster manufacturers operates? I don't think so. Who told you all this? Did you read it? Did someone tell you? Did you analyze trends and draw your own conclusions? However you "know," please tell us. Remember, Galileo (and Copernicus, remember him?) had a lot of tables, observations, charts, equations, and experiments to back him up.
Concerning Hypers (if anyone cares):
After all the times I've heard the term, this is what I've come to believe the term means: A continuous-circuit coaster with either a). the highest section of track 200 feet or more above the ground directly below it, or b) a coaster with a continous drop of 200 feet or more. There are only two coasters I can think of that are one without the other: Magnum XL-200 has the height but no the drop, while Phantim's Revenge/Steel Phantom has the drop but not the height. Shuttles don't count simply because I can not recall a single reference to a shuttle as a hyper, even the popular Wicked Twister. Also, there is a small "junior hyper" category for coasters that mimic the overall style of the first hypers, but are between 150 and 200 feet (like Steel Eel). I would subit an "honorary hyper" category for coasters like Alpengist. From everything I've heard, it might as well be one.
My English isn't that great, but I sure got the message. :) How do I know? I have several park contacts, some officials, other not. I also have some great sources from within the larger manufacturers. That is where I get my information from.
I understand you can't believe everything you hear, neither do I. I *always* double-check anything I hear from my sources. Most of the time, they're right. But sometimes...
Like, would you believe Intamin is currently working on an inverted woodie? An Intamin employee told me this last summer. I don't believe him, do you?
I wish I had a lot of tables, observations, charts, equations, and experiments to back me up, but the best I can get is information from two or more sources and the help of an intelligent mind. I think it is fair to say that I'm right in about 80% tot 90% of the time I reveal "theories" as you like to call them. :) I think that's a pretty good ratio, especially concerning the great number of urban legends that float around concerning roller coasters.
I hope I answered your question to your satisfaction.
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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!
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Favorite Coasters:
1)MF 2)Raging Bull 3) Magnum XL-200 4)Rock N' Roller Coaster 5)Raptor
DRNK said:
I think it is fair to say that I'm right in about 80% tot 90% of the time I reveal "theories" as you like to call them.
Except that you've shown a lack of basic knowledge about coasters (like wheel change intervals and basic physics). Not saying you're wrong, but forever is a long time, and for enough money B&M would build whatever you wanted them to.
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
You must be this dumb to ride Viper. -SFGAdv.
(SF)Great American said:
There are only two coasters I can think of that are one without the other: Magnum XL-200 has the height but no the drop, while Phantim's Revenge/Steel Phantom has the drop but not the height.
Apollo is 170' with a 210' drop.
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Be polite and ignore the idiots. - rollergator
You must be this dumb to ride Viper. -SFGAdv.
Jeff said:
DRNK: The only thing you're doing is contributing to urban legends not based on any real facts. Unless you're pals with Walter and Claude, I believe what you say about as much as I do 'Playa. There's no reason we should believe you more than anyone else.
Besides you still haven't responded to my points that a) Alpengeist essentially is a 200-footer and b) the train system is essentially the same for inverters as it is on the hypers, many of which are over 200. That's in response to your original assertion that they would "never build a hyper inverted."
Never is a long time. Even if there was a shred of truth to what you said, I'm sure they'd start finding ways to build them bigger, because right now their competition is getting all of that work.
Alpengeist is 195', with help of its hilly terrain. Without, it tops out at 170, with a drop equivelant in size thanks to again...the terrain.
No, really? Gosh, thanks for clearing that up.
I've been on the ride, and you know what I mean. The point still stands that it's essentially "there."
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