Inverted Hypers

Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:21 PM
On another post, someone said they'd like to see an inverted hyper. I'd like to see this too. Soaring with nothing under you legs dangling free would be awesome. The drops would probably have to be curved though, which wouldn't be bad. An inverted hyper twister would be cool. Any thoughts?
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Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:22 PM
Yes it would be cool, but to enjoy the air you would need to get rid of those darn OTSRs.

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Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:26 PM
What about view? That's a very intimidating too. The problem with Inverts in this respect is that unless you sit in the front the view is inferior.

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Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:31 PM
Depends on the design and company. I would love to see a B&M inverted out and back type of deal(with inversions). I would not like to see a 200 foot Vekoma though. The name serial killer would be appropriate for it if one was ever built.

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Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:45 PM

In case you weren't around, Fanasay Island in the UK announced a 268 foot Vekoma Inverted with a 200 foot loop. But, I guess they are really bad liars, as it was only 180 feet tall or so when it was coompleted! (That reminded how Blackpool creatively deescribed the big one when it was announced, making it out to be taller than it was in the end)

I also agree with what was said about the view. The hypers have a great "open" feeling with the cars and the track below you. I wonder how a lapbar only hyper-inverted would feel visually. The front may be neat, but you would lose the visual in the other rows :(

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Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:10 PM
Yes, I was around when Fantasy Island made that announcement, but not only is it not a hyper, it's not what I had in mind by an inverted hyper concept. I mean something without inversions.
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Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:34 PM
I'm still hoping for that Hyper Bobsled - you know how cool that would be?!
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Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:55 PM

RollerJunkie said:
I'm still hoping for that Hyper Bobsled - you know how cool that would be?!


and on that note, i have three words-

Hyper Wild Mouse ;)

lol

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hmmmm. can't think of one, sorry :)

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Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:49 PM
And I have one name. Arrow-Batic :)

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Friday, December 13, 2002 4:20 AM

Frankly, some of the inverts lose a little of the visual in the front seat, too--thanks to all the decorative theming bric-a-brac (read: Dueling Dragons).

-'Playa

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Friday, December 13, 2002 4:34 AM

Brendan w said:
Depends on the design and company. I would love to see a B&M inverted out and back type of deal(with inversions). I would not like to see a 200 foot Vekoma though. The name serial killer would be appropriate for it if one was ever built.


I'm sorry to say this, but that's just BS. First, B&M would never build a hyper inverted, simply because they're afread to loose their good reputation if the ride get's too rough. Vekoma however just did it, look at Jubilee Odyssee at Fantasy Island. This is currently the highest inverted coaster in the world. You might want to go whining about it being rough and all because it's a Vekoma. Well, go ahead. Show us you're narrow-minded. Perhaps you don't know, but Vekoma Extreme SLC's use B&M technology trains, which are said to be extremely smooth.

Concerning view, a Vekoma SLC offers some really nice views. Better views than a B&M inverted anyway. To even more improve the view, you can simply place the coaches further appart. :)

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Friday, December 13, 2002 5:33 AM
Isn't Alpengeist essentially a hyper? Yes, I know, it's about 5 feet off, but it's close enough for government work.Yet, I don't see people showing much love for Alpie. It may just be the type of experience that doesn't translate well to inverts.

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Friday, December 13, 2002 5:33 AM
Wonder what a layout like Shivering Timbers but taller would be like but with an Arrow 4D.....Add a few back flips and twists along the way.
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Friday, December 13, 2002 5:40 AM
Isn't Deja vu an inverted hyper...Very,very cool ride btw.
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Friday, December 13, 2002 5:47 AM

DRNK said:
"I'm sorry to say this, but that's just BS. First, B&M would never build a hyper inverted, simply because they're afread to loose their good reputation if the ride get's too rough."
B&M will build whatever their customers ask for. So what if it's a few feet short, Alpengeist is essentially a hyper (and taller than Jubilee Odyssee). Furthermore, why would it get any rougher than any of their hypers like Apollo, Bull or Silverstar? It's essentially the same train bogey on the same type of track.

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Friday, December 13, 2002 6:16 AM

Mike E said:
Isn't Deja vu an inverted hyper...Very,very cool ride btw.


Nope. From what I understand, the lift hill has to be over 200, and the next 2 consecutive hills need to be over 100 to be considered a "hyper."

But then again, I may be off my rocker. I remember reading that somewhere on here a while back...

d8

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Friday, December 13, 2002 6:32 AM
For the view aspect of things, what if they turned the last 1/2 of the train backwards. By doing that, you would have 2 rows with good views. Or, you could have the whole train face out (2 abreast seating) and ride the train sideways. Or maybe take some of the 4th dimension technology and rotate the seats around a pole if riding the ride sideways the whole way through is too rough.
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Friday, December 13, 2002 6:35 AM

The term Hyper is usually reserved for complete circut coasters. It also generally implies a coaster with the emphasis on hills, turns, and airtime rather than on inversions though most don't rule out a coaster (Steel Phantom) just because it has inversion.

IMO Deja Vu isn't a hyper because
1) the listed height in rcdb is 196'
2) the train never gets up to even close to 200'.
3) the ride experience is just not that of a hyper from what I've heard. (That doesn't mean its bad, just different)

Alpengeist is a strange hybrid. It has a lot of the speed and power of a hyper and also a good dose of an inverting coaster. IMO not the best of either, but still a fun ride.

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Friday, December 13, 2002 7:19 AM

Jeff said:
B&M will build whatever their customers ask for. So what if it's a few feet short, Alpengeist is essentially a hyper (and taller than Jubilee Odyssee). Furthermore, why would it get any rougher than any of their hypers like Apollo, Bull or Silverstar? It's essentially the same train bogey on the same type of track.


Well, you're a bit of track I'm afraid. First, I would like to point out that B&M does not do whatever the customer asks for. Theming or onboard-sound are no option. Neither is building completely over water, or building to high.

B&M has very strict quality demands. They fear that if they build above a certain height, they can no longer guarantee the quality of the ride. I don't know why they feel this way, I can only tell you they do.

Silver Star and Nitro are about as high as B&M will go. I don't know about Nitro, but I do know that Silver Star is everything but smooth at the bottom of the first drop. As is Superman Atraccion de Acero. That is some serious resonance, way worse than the headbanging on an ancient Vekoma. So I guess Mr B and Mr M have a point.. :)

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Friday, December 13, 2002 7:22 AM

That roughness at the bottom of those hills can be fixed by new wheels/springs. The parks which do not change their B&M wheels often enough get bumpy. (Like the laterals on BKF)

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