Inversions too short?

I've never come across a coaster that remains in the inverted position. The technology on flat ride restraints has come along enough to be able to hold riders in a comfortable position whilst remaining upside down for a few seconds, whilst coaster manufacturers are now producing track and vehicles for flying coasters that can invert - so why no inverted track sections on a sitdown looper instead of just the pinnacle of a loop or corkscrew? I acknowledge there are overbanked turns, which are nearly there...! Your thoughts...?
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My guess is that an extended stretch of inverted riding might make a lot of potential coaster riders pass on a ride like that. I love coasters but I know I wouldn't enjoy riding inverted for a significant length of time.

not even a few meters?- an elipse rather than a loop!

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guess you haven't seen the S&S screaming squirrel yet.

Just to back up what wahoo skipper said, heres a situation of mine...

In 2000(the year i bacame an enthusiast), i made my first visit to PKD. I didnt know much about coasters, or the inversions and layouts. At PKD, i rode hurler, rebel yell, anaconda(anaconda actually scared me...but nontheless it was fun). My friends parents, whom had season passes for severall years, still hadnt been on volcano yet due to the extreme waits. Their kids werent big thrill riders, so they had to pass.

Anyway, as we passed by volcano on our way out of the park, my friends parents asked the wait time, they said 45mins. While they asked, i took a glance up and watched the train. Anyone who knows how slow the trains tend to go through those heartlines knows what im talking about. But for the moment that i saw that train, it *appeared* to me that the train went upside down, and stayed that way for a few seconds before going back into the upright position.

This scared me, and i easily turned down taking a ride on it, saying "im not ready for that yet". i may have given it a chance, but i wasnt ready to stay inverted either.

colin, slow inversions are fun, but staying inverted on a coaster is quite extreme. If you want to stay inverted, a inverted swinging ship is the ride for you(i hate those rides BTW...always looks like the other rider is gonna puke over everyone).

Good luck finding one though...for now, a ride the executes slow inversions just might be the one for you.

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Oh yea...forgot about the screaming squirrel...

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*** This post was edited by coasterdude04 1/31/2003 9:13:12 AM ***

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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 1/31/2003 9:37:36 AM ***

I aint saying I like hanging upside down myself particularly! I really dont like chance inverter rides, find them really nauseating... but I think an extended loop or something would be quite acceptable! The screaming squirrel - I totally forgot about that...and thats it then! Will it now be a matter of time before this becomes a standard element?

A few comments here indicate people think the GP might find it too offputting, which is fair comment! Wouldn't they be put off by the likes of TTD to?

Moosh- Yeah, I have been on Manhattan, and must say i didnt like it!-too headbangy and i didn't like the restraints! That bit before the dive is the general idea, but still not long enough to let you realise your traversing upside down, - I want something with good visuals, like a horizon or something!- Like you can do on the various DIY simulators an stuff!LOL
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*** This post was edited by colin mcwilliam 1/31/2003 9:55:08 AM ***

A double inverter ride keeps you inverted for about half a minute, but that's not a pleasant experience. You need really comfortable restraints to make a long inversion a painless experience.

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True DRNK! But there's loads of flat ride manufacturers make excellent restraints, Mondial, Huss, Intamin to name a few. Surely this technology can be applied to coaster vehicles?
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I was too young to know what the GP's reaction to Reveloution or Corkscrew was when they debuted, but personally speaking it took some talking to get me on my first loop (Jetscream at SFStL). I don't see why an extended invert -longer than that on MExprs- would be much different.

You're gonna get many enthusiasts on it right off the bat, those that aren't afraid of anything, and those that will "take a dare" to ride it. I have to imagine that's the same crowd that rode the first modern inverts back in the 70's. If it's safe and somewhat comfy, people will ride it.

coasterdude04 said:

While they asked, i took a glance up and watched the train. Anyone who knows how slow the trains tend to go through those heartlines knows what im talking about. But for the moment that i saw that train, it *appeared* to me that the train went upside down, and stayed that way for a few seconds before going back into the upright position.

Volcano is not actually that drastic. It may seem that way from the ground, but even when the trains are travelling slower than usual, you're really not upside down for more than a second.

Berserker, on the other hand...

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*** This post was edited by Vater 1/31/2003 10:23:14 AM ***

Actually, that's why I *dont* like Volcano. I do not like the 'extended ' inline twists. It *seems* like a good enough idea and I liked the concept well enough on SFGAdv's Viper, but I really didnt like the feel of V:TBC.

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BTW...Screaming Squirrel is a concept coaster. Don't expect to see it popping up in parks anytime soon.

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Is there pics of screaming squirrel? People keep talking about it, and I have no idea what it is. I know its a concept coaster, but other than that!
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*** This post was edited by newt 1/31/2003 11:33:08 AM ***

I believe there is concept art on S&S's site http://www.s-spower.com

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colin mcwilliam said

A few comments here indicate people think the GP might find it too offputting, which is fair comment! Wouldn't they be put off by the likes of TTD to?

In a word, no. At least not all of them. Mnay people (including myself, at one point) have something I suppose you could call inversion-phobia. the prospect of going upside-down scares people. Although most people with experience know that height increases thrill more than inversions, many who don't really do coasters would gladly hop on Magnum before Corkscrew. The kind of things you're talking about would scare people even more, in ways that TTD would not. that being said, I think there would still be plenty of riders, provided the inversions don't last long enough to really let the blood start flowing ot the head.

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Manhattan Express is the only coaster I've ridden that had an extended inverted section. It was boring and not very comfotable.

I hope that S&S can do better on the squirrel.

....just to be different....I thought the *extended inversions* on the relevant Togo's were clearly the best part of either ride....of course, I also like V:TBC and the slower rolls, as well as PKI's Vortex with that amazingly S-L-O-W corkscrew section...

'Moosh COULD be right about the Screaming Squirrel, but he has NO idea what is in the works at the S&S rumor mill....;):) From what I hear, they could be producing a wide variety of....rumors...ROFL.

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The "hanging inversion" wouldn't scare me. I am just certain that it would be uncomfortable. Depending on the harnesses it would probably kill my shoulders and I don't like the feeling of blood rushing to me head.