Interlocking loops...why only Arrow?

Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:00 PM
Anyone know why Arrow is the only company to do this? Seems like a popular enough concept to repeat.....

Personally I think it would be cool to see a B&M inclined loop interlocked with a diving or regular loop, or a loop at the center of a cobra roll.

Any guesses why interlocked elements aren't more prevelant?

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:04 PM
Could you explain the inclined loop?

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:08 PM
Interlocked corks are certainly prevalent in B&M coasters.

I would guess that it's quite difficult to put two vertical loops in a ride that are separated by substantial track without a second lift hill. LNM needs that tiny lift at the end; I don't know about Orient Express. But it seems to be a little too much trouble for what amounts to an element that is for spectators only.... the loops feel the same to the rider.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:11 PM
Inclined loop is a loop at an angle as on Mantis and Riddler's Revenge.

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery7.htm?Picture=7

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery470.htm?Picture=5
*** This post was edited by Dale Picolet 2/27/2003 5:15:49 PM ***

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:13 PM

Den said:
Interlocked corks are certainly prevalent in B&M coasters.

I would guess that it's quite difficult to put two vertical loops in a ride that are separated by substantial track without a second lift hill. LNM needs that tiny lift at the end; I don't know about Orient Express. But it seems to be a little too much trouble for what amounts to an element that is for spectators only.... the loops feel the same to the rider.

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Orient Express doesn't have a second lift.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:14 PM
OEK, the inclined loop is mainly found on stand-up coasters. Two that come to mind are Chang and Mantis. There are others, but I don't know off the top of my head :) . Anyway, an inclined loop is basically a vertical loop tilted to the side. It doesn't really change the experience very much for me, and some don't consider it a loop. Here's a picture of the inclined loop on Mantis. Hope that helps :)

EDIT: Whoops! Looks like Dave beat me to it while I was typing my response and looking up pictures...


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*** This post was edited by MarimbaGuy87 2/27/2003 5:16:22 PM ***

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:24 PM
Yea, i've been on riddler, I just though it was a 45 degree loop. thanks for the clarification.

No the Orient Express doesn't have a 2nd lift. After the upper loop it make a hard right onto the midcourse. Followed by the midcourse is another right hand turn that drops into the lower loop. Sadly the coaster doesn't feature the trains going through the loops at the same time.

Here is a good picture (2nd one down) of the OE's loop configuration.

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*** This post was edited by OrientExpressKid 2/27/2003 5:29:24 PM ***

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:32 PM
I don't think there'd be enough clearance on the Arrow interloopers for two trains to be going through the loops at the same time, though I'm sure B&M could do something quite spectacular with the concept - I especially like that idea of a standard loop with an inclined loop.
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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:41 PM
There is definately room for two Arrow trains to make it through at the same time, it wouldn't be safe, nor operate if that were the case due to this could happen at anytime during the day depending on dispatch times....

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:49 PM
Yeah you beat me to it, rctycoon2k. Those 2 trains can CERTAINLY enter the loops at the same time, haven't you even seen the infamous LNM signature loops pics with the two trains in the loops at the same time. Kinda silly to suggest that the ride is unsafe by saying two trains couldnt be in the loops at the same time.
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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:50 PM

First of all: LNM does not need a lift to do the entire track (if the trims are turned off before the tunnel) and the reason the trims are there is because when BGW runs three trains then it is paced so two trains meet up at the interlocking loops, so there is enough clearence.

Finally: BM loops are gigantic just think of how tall that structure would be if like arrows the interlocking loop on the top has its base directly in the middle of the bottom loop then it would have to be 60-70 ft in the air on a sitdown, its not feasable (sic). Second, inverteds (due to their nature) would not benifit as much from an interlocking loop since you could never see the other train on the other loop at any point on the ride.
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Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:58 PM
Unlike the game of RCT, I'm pretty sure B&M can modify thier loops to whatever size they want if they so desire.

I agree with you that the effect looses a lot on inverts.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:12 PM
I'd like to see a corkscrew through a loop...

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:18 PM
Vortex is close. The Corks go between the loops. Thats fun!

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:38 PM
It is obvious that B&M can vary the size of their loops. Just compare the loops from say a B:TR with those from Alpengeist or S:KC. Only Arrow was stuck with the same sized loop for every coaster.
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Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:39 PM
Those corkscrews give me airtime, but not from negative g's. They go through so slow you fall out of your seat from being upsidown so long!

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:17 PM
While BM can change the radius of their loops I have never seen a BM loop smaller then an Arrow loop (except B:TR which is an inverted and as I said before I think inverts would not be helped with an interlocking loop) that is what I was talking about when I said that BM loops are bigger then Arrows.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:34 PM
Yeah, I have to agree. Arrow made small loops so it was easy to make them interlock. Even if B&M did want to interlock their loops, both of them would have to be small or there would have to be two lifts.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:42 PM
Kraken has a pretty small loop for a B&M and it's a floorless. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to mix that with another element.

*EDIT* The loop after the MCBR
*** This post was edited by NitroExplodes 2/27/2003 10:43:05 PM ***

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:43 PM
Doesn't one of the Tornado Intamin Inverts have an in-line through a loop?

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