Whoa dude, I thought this was a free board where I could express my own opinion. That is the first time I have ever thought otherwise, now I know where some of your others are coming from. First off, B&M has not found a happy medium. I don't know how you can not see that B TDK is not predictable my god it's a loop an immelman a barrel roll (the only part that really stand out) and the famous interlocking corkscrews. Can I suggest to you that you take an anger management class because you just blew this whole board out of proportion and contradicted yourself by expressing your own opinion that IMO is "bad logic," but I have the descency to keep an opinion like that to myself. Some of the people on this board are just ridiculous, I am completely stunned that anybody would be so rude.
Obviously your so full of yourself an so closed minded that you believe nobody but yourself is right. Everybody's opinion is in some way right. Not to mention that I still stated that I REALLY like B&M and they built my all-time favorite coaster and that I constantly put IMO in my post.
Thanks for making me feel incredibly stupid up against your obviously AWESOME KNOWLEDGE! *Sarcasm*
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I was just refuting what you said, I don't see where I was rude, but I disagreed with you so I expressed my opinion. Sorry if you took it the wrong way, but the forums are here to express ourselves and discuss but that's what I thought I was doing. I said your logic was "bad" because in my opinion, it is, and I'm not going to change my mind on that one, chief.
Maybe B:DK's layout is predictable, maybe it isn't, but I would think that's a competely subjective argument and therefore a waste of time. Otherwise, you can reply to what isn't subjective in this argument and we can discuss until the cows come home. Sorry if your feelings are hurt are you feel like I'm being rude because I disagree with you, but that wasn't my intention.
EDIT: And as for B&M finding a happy medium, I was referring to the amount of rides they sell in relation to their cost. Maybe they haven't found it yet, maybe B&M has just been racking up tons and tons of debt for the past 10 years and hasn't made a profit yet. Until either of us see their budget reports, though, none of us will know, but just between you and me, I kinda doubt it.
ANOTHER EDIT:
As for your friend, committing suicide, I'm sorry, but it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. I have to tell you though, if my friend commited suicide the last thing I would do is make a post about it on a coaster message board. I am sorry, though. That really sucks. (Oh sorry, I see you took that part out.)
LOL, Another:
Listen, dude, if you really feel like your opinion is right, go ahead and change my mind. I welcome you disagreeing with my points, that's why I posted mine. If we didn't disagree on this board, we wouldn't have much to talk about, would we? I understand that I have my opinion, and you have yours, and obviously I feel like mine is right because its my opinion. That's just the nature of opinions. That's way cool if you like B&M, dude, I do too. I like a lot of the coasters they've built, but I don't see how that effects either of our arguments.
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If the shoe fits, find another one.
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thanks for the info, ravenguy.
SFGAMdie HARD: I don't see what's to get upset about. someone refuted your statements with logic and reason. yeah, you can have your opinions on the success of B&M in the future, but without any sort of facts, its mere opinion. personally, I don't see how B&M is being un-innovative nor do I see how un-innovativness equals the death of a company. you can compare coasters to watches all day, but a watch's primary function is to tell time. additions to that primary function may make your company super successful and another fail, but that is not what will happen to a coaster company.
a coaster's primary function is to thrill. this can be done a number of ways. either through inventing new elements or riding positions (innovativness) or through using old elements successfully. if innovativness was all that mattered in coasters then there would be no CCI, GCI, or any new woodies after Matterhorn. B&M for years have taken elements that either they invented or that have been around for decades and arranged a layout that draws people from all around the world.
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Knott's Berry Farm Cuba ~South Park
"Your proctologist called, he found your head!" ~Jerry "The King" Lawler
Dont forget that intamin makes a LOT more than coasters, And make many more every year. Intamin makes much, much more than B&M anually, Even though they dont overprice their coasters as much as B&M do. (Intamin makes less per coaster)
Buisness-wise, Intamin has got it down.
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Foozycoaster said:
Buisness-wise, Intamin has got it down.
According to RCDB (and I may have miscounted), B&M is building/ has built 7 coasters this year, and Intamin 4. And with B&M charging so much more, its obvious Intamin is making much more money on coasters this year.
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If the shoe fits, find another one.
SFGAMDie HARD said:
Whoa dude, I thought this was a free board where I could express my own opinion. That is the first time I have ever thought otherwise, now I know where some of your others are coming from. First off, B&M has not found a happy medium. I don't know how you can not see that B TDK is not predictable my god it's a loop an immelman a barrel roll (the only part that really stand out) and the famous interlocking corkscrews. Can I suggest to you that you take an anger management class because you just blew this whole board out of proportion and contradicted yourself by expressing your own opinion that IMO is "bad logic," but I have the descency to keep an opinion like that to myself. Some of the people on this board are just ridiculous, I am completely stunned that anybody would be so rude.
Obviously your so full of yourself an so closed minded that you believe nobody but yourself is right. Everybody's opinion is in some way right. Not to mention that I still stated that I REALLY like B&M and they built my all-time favorite coaster and that I constantly put IMO in my post.
Thanks for making me feel incredibly stupid up against your obviously AWESOME KNOWLEDGE! *Sarcasm*
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Milwaukee Wisconsin, we bring you beer, brats and cheese. But don't be fooled, "Milwaukee truly is a special secret getaway that I will be sure to tell my friends about!" Erin Brockevich, not to mention that we are an hour from SFGAm........
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For one thing, the park only built B:DK to balance the flow through the park and shorten the line on Superman:Ride of Steel. When they were proposing it, they even said that It wouldn't be to big and was not made to raise the park's attendance. Plust the neighbors would not let Six Flags New England build anything too ground braking because of traffic and parking problems. B:DK was not meant to be the next all star coaster added to the line up, and even if the ride is not a steel moster to you, it's something that GP has never seen before and will amaze and thrill many people.
Also, if the layout is so predictable, why couldn't you even get it right? It's curving drop, loop, dive loop, high banked turn, zero g' roll, then the interlocking corkscrews.
Versus how long B&M has been making coasters with their track?
If i'm not mistaken b&m has been making their coasters for a little longer than intamin has been making coasters with the 3-style. So, wouldn't it seem newer, more innovative, and therefore seem as if they are the new flash in the pan?
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Wow, B&M would go out of business being uninnovative, etc. etc.
Hmm, am I right or wrong: Vekoma is a cookie cutter company that has sold muuuuuch more coasters than B&M and Intamin.
Seriously though, the GP doesn't care!
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B&M have got S:UF and nothing else worth mentioning!
Oh yes they do! Take a stroll down to any big park, and be amazed by the power of B&M!
I was going to start a thread about B&M bashing, because as of late many have partaken in this dastardly deed. IMO Intamin have 3 truely unique designs 1) Superman SFNE 2)Goliath SFH 3)Tornado (invert)
Xcelarator is just a modified Mr. Freeze, MF is just a big drop, Collosus is just a B&M ride (Yep, Drop into a loop, followed by a cobra roll and a corckscrew and 5 rolls. So that said, Why complain about B&M getting repetitive? Last time I checked Medusa East was pretty original. I haven't seen a coaster like Raging Bull on U.S soil. Nemesis is another prime example and the list goes on, and on, and on.
Since when is Intamin as innovative as B&M? When was the last time Intamin came up with a truly innovative concept like the floorless, or invert? Intamin has basically built on what B&M do, and IMO aren't quite up to B&M. That's not a problem, since B&M took Vekoma's flyer and modified it, but hell, they got it right.
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Uhh. geez.........
Looks like a few people need a coaster ride. remeber, they all make awesome rollercoasters, so what use is there in arguing about it? Let's just enjoy the ride! :)
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Ready to spring into a new coaster season! :)
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