Intamin Stand Up Photo on website???

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:28 PM

This may be a stupid question, but check out this link. Is this a B&M? It's got the square track spine and a B&M ish train.

If so, why would Intamin be displaying it on their website?

http://www.intaminworldwide.com/fenster/i_standupcoaster.htm

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:32 PM
I think it is a B&M but im not sure.Does Intamin even make standup?
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:33 PM
Because Intamin (as a company) Invented and Manufactures(ed) the stand up coaster well before B&M broke off from Intamin. Shockwaves are Intamins, and those came well before rides like Vortex at PGA.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:33 PM
That's a really good question. It doesn't look at all like any of the Intamin pics I have seen.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:34 PM
It's definately not "Intamin" style track...

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:36 PM
I'm sure you're going to get a million responses to this. Here's my take, though: as far as I know Bolliger and Mabillard both worked for Intamin before starting their own company. Rides like Batman: The Escape (SFAW) are credited to Intamin, even though it's pretty obvious B&M (the people) had a lot to do with their design.

I'm not sure of the date, but Iron Wolf was the first stand-up credited to B&M, so I'm assuming that was after the duo decided to split from Intamin. I don't know of any Intamin stand-up's to date after the split, but I would assume that since that photo is still on their website, they must have the "pre-split" design pattented in their name. Notice the trains are a little less contoured than more modern B&M's like Georgia Scorcher (SFoG) - perhaps that has something to do with their patenting rights. Or maybe the laws are just different in Switzerland than they are in the states. Anyone who cares to elaborate or correct my opinion is welcome.

Here's a link to check it out:

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery556.htm?Picture=4


Here's another one of Mantis (CP):

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery7.htm?Picture=5

*** This post was edited by nelson324 on 9/18/2002. ***

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:36 PM
Okay, if you look very closely at the name on the front of the train, (and you know what you'e looking for) I am willing to bet it will be the name of a park in England. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the park. Wherever it is, they have a stand-up coaster there named Shockwave, that looks for all the world like a B&M, but was designed by Intamin. I remember it from a "World's Greatest Roller Coaster Thrills" video. it's got silver track (though I don't really remember what the trains are like). There are actually several coasters out there that showcase just who Bolliger and Mabillard worked for before they created their own company, such as Flashback, at MM, and the stand-up Batman at Astroworld.

*** This post was edited by (SF)Great American on 9/18/2002. ***

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:37 PM

Shockwave at Drayton Manor and Batman The Escape at SFAW are by Intamin and they have Box Beam track and 4 abreast seating. Flashback at MM is another example of this althoughb it is not a stand up.

Remember that Bolliger and Mabillard both worked for Intamin before starting their own company.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:39 PM

You're right, it's not the intamin style but it is Intamin. Both Bolligar and Mabillard worked for Intamin before they began B&M. Another example of Intamin with that type of track is Flashback at SFMM, yup that is an intamin, the intamin track you see these days is really pretty new, they didn't have intamin box track 10 years ago (at least not on the terms it's at today.) Those Intamins are older.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:41 PM
Whoa, a lotta posts at once, you guys beat me.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:41 PM

Ah, that's It! Drayton Manor! Thank you very much, MagnumForce. I just looked at the pic again, and the first letters in each word are right, though I still can't make out the others. I'm willing to bet this is Shockwave

Nelson324, Iron Wolf debuted in 1990.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:43 PM

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery814.htm?Picture=1

or

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery814.htm?Picture=2

If you compare the color of the supports and the track, it looks the same...

Edit: Also, look at the triangular shape of the tubular supports on the lift hill. I wonder why Intamin would abandon these design concepts, if they were theirs. Just by looking at it I would swear it is a B&M, just looking at the supports, track, etc. Usually, people who leave corporations have to sign noncompete agreements and other stuff, saying they won't steal technology. Or, did this belong to B&M (The individuals, not the company) and they just took it with them when they started their own company?

hmmm...

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*** This post was edited by du8die on 9/18/2002. ***

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:44 PM
At that time, Intamin didn't design and manufacture coasters, they just marketed and brokered them. Giovanola (GTec) designed and fabricated Intamin's standup coasters and Eurostar(portable invert). Giovanola takes credit for these coasters on their website and their marketing materials. But, you can definitely see the B&M influence on these rides due to the fact that B&M did work for Intamin during that time.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:49 PM
Whatever Giovanola's involvment, I know that Intamin takes credit for all the rides mentioned above. Take that for what it's worth.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:58 PM

But intamin still have a credit on vortex and ironwolf they manufactured and designed the trains.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:12 PM
Gio track is also extremely similar to B and M.

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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:27 PM
There are pictures online of people riding that Intamin standup-standing backwards in the restraints.
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Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:32 PM
Read Sean Flaherty's trip reports from the ACE European Coaster Odyssey. He got to ride shockwave facing backwards. As did Greg Leg and everyone else who went.

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*** This post was edited by MagnumForce on 9/19/2002. ***

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Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:49 AM

Chris Godsey said:
"But, you can definitely see the B&M influence on these rides due to the fact that B&M did work for Intamin during that time."

That's a little bit misleading. As it stands, no one knows "for sure" that B&M worked *for* Intamin. I have heard just as many claims that B&M worked *for* Giovanola. The only thing that *is* known is that B&M, Intamin and Giovanola all worked *together*, though the structure of that relationship is still unknown.

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Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:55 AM

It has always been my understanding that B&M's involvement with each was as a third party, the manufacturers being little more than brokers. Then again, I've never actually talked to Walter and Claude, so I wouldn't know.

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