IE6 users... no seriously... please upgrade

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 2:48 PM

On the other hand Jeff, some places are a little too eager to suck MS's tit. Wright-Pat is upgrading all their equipment to Vista by October... even on machines that are like 4 years old. God save me now.

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:34 PM

Hey, this site is sucking all that Microsoft has to offer. I'm not a hater. I'm not running Vista either!

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 7:46 PM

I just think it is neat that Jeff is both a Microsoft .NET developer who drank the Microsoft Kool-Aid a long long time ago and still relies on Redmond's frameworks and tools (notice that this site is all ASP?)...and he's a Mac user.

At least that means he'll make sure his sites actually work in Safari... :)

--Dave Althoff, ][.
(been an Apple guy since before there was a Mac...)

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 7:58 PM

My second computer was an Apple II+. And actually, Dave, I rarely use Safari except to make sure it works (and it always does).

Microsoft gets a lot of crap for a lot of really good reasons, but you can't write off the company for the more public failures it has. Diana has Vista on her laptop and it seems to barely work. But there are other parts of the company that are brilliant, like the Xbox division (if you don't count Xbox Live support, anyway).

The development tools and platform are amazing. I can't imagine a world in my line of work without Visual Studio. I rely on Redmond not because I have to, but because they make amazing tools. After interviewing there with some of the people running that show, I have enormous faith in the tools and platform groups. Really brilliant people there.

And let's be clear... ASP and ASP.NET are two different things. One is a crappy old script technology and the other is a framework built on an object oriented development platform. :)

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:44 PM

"OMG, whatever happened to Coasterbuzz?" (TM)Seriously, I was gone for a WEEK! LOL... :)IE7 and Firefox here....and I'm a notoriously slow-adopter. So the old(er) folks need to get off their rocking chair and upgrade... ;)

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:43 PM

So, Jeff, do you develop your .NET content on the Mac? If so, are you dual booting Windows or is there any way to run the .NET development tools in the Mac OS? I for one am getting sick of the MS operating systems, but I am chained to Windows because I develop .NET apps for a living.

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:24 PM

I run Parallels. On my desktop Mac Pro with 4 gigs of RAM, I can easily toss 2 to Parallels and it's just like using a PC directly. My older MacBook Pro (first gen) can only do a 2 gigs, so I can only realistically give Parallels one. It's not horrible, but if I have more than one instance of VS open, it gets a little pokey.

But yeah, browsing, IM, iTunes, Photoshop, etc., I run all in OS X.

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:45 PM

It looks like the site runs good on Chrome. The only unsupported feature is the toolbar on the edit window (is that maybe just an additional browser check?)

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:47 PM

No... I'm still trying to figure that one out. It behaves really strangely in Safari, so I would expect about the same in Chrome, and that's why it defaults to the plain text. I just haven't gotten around to really digging in on that, though I'd like to with this site closing in on double digit share for Safari.

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:47 PM

IT overlords indeed. It's especially annoying when you're a software developer who NEEDS to be able to install and upgrade tools for yourself, but the corporate IT policy is that NOBODY has admin rights to their own desktops. I can see that policy for the non-techies like secretaries and accounting and the like, but c'mon, your developers need that...

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:14 AM

No, Greg, it's because it's people like you who give IT such a hard time if we don't lock down your machine. You developer types are the ones who install special crap on your machines, then when your machine gets hosed, you whine and complain because when we wipe your machine, install the clean image, and restore your email and documents folders you then complain because the machine isn't just like it was when we took it away from you. Well of course it isn' it actually works! :)

(I work in an IT department, although (a) I'm the "not computer" guy, and (b) our 'corporate' policy is that all users have admin rights on their desktop machines. We are a University and we don't know how our users are using their machines.)

And, Jeff, please note in my earlier comments I tried not to make any value judgments; I was merely noting that you were a Microsoft guy working in an Apple world, which is a kind of an interesting situation, given how anti-Apple so many Microsoft fans are.

Heck, the first development platform I ever used* was developed by Microsoft, and might have actually been written by Bill Gates himself. It sucks by today's standards, but it turned out to be surprisingly powerful and stable. Add Neil Konzen's editing, macro and debugging extension** on top of it (especially the version that was distributed by Bert Kersey and Mark Simonsen, better known as the Beagle Brothers), and it was actually a useable development environment...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

* Applesoft BASIC


Wednesday, September 3, 2008 1:58 AM

Oh, I didn't think you were implying anything, more pointing out that the perceived distaste for the company isn't what a lot of people think it is. When I was at Mix this year I was shocked at how many of us, including Softies, were carrying MacBook Pros.

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:08 AM

I'll grant you that one, Dave -- if something DOESN'T work many developers are the first ones screaming.

I don't have any Apple computers here at home, but I'm not running Vista and I'm not a full-bore Mac hater (not a fan, either, but not a hater. I'd love to legally install OSX on one of my machines to tinker around with, but I'm going to drop the cash on the hardware or pirate/hack the systen software...)

My primary box is a home-built dual-core with 4 gigs, running XP-64. I have Virtual PC installed on that to run a virtualized XP-32, which I use to connect to the work VPN (the Cisco VPN client they use won't install on XP-64, and when it's running it understandably subjects you to their firewall rules. Both problems solved by running it on a virtual image :) ) Then there's also an ancient laptop and a "home theater PC" both running XP. All machines have Firefox installed, and I sometimes use IE7 as well.

At work we're still stuck on IE6, but I don't access CoasterBuzz from work (heck, I hadn't accessed CoasterBuzz at all in a while :) )

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:28 AM

Being an IT guy for a Hospital I will tell you that we also are far behind the curve on software upgrades. Mainly because of cost controls. Some computers here run Windows 2000/Office 2000 and those that are past that rarely have anything past XP and Office 2003.

IE7 was recently approved for use here due to the main patient data system being a web base application it needed to go through major testing before being allowed to be rolled out. The nice thing is those updates are controlled by a server inhouse and it's pretty much a few clicks and the updates go out behind the scenes for the users.

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:40 AM

Does this mean I can't use Explorer 5.5 anymore? ;)

~Rob "a Firefox User" Willi

Thursday, September 4, 2008 10:14 PM

This wins.

Thursday, September 4, 2008 11:58 PM

Unless you're a Mac user!

Friday, September 5, 2008 1:33 PM

Yeah, I'll add myself to the "My office will only support IE6" crowd. Though, again, like Greg, I've only visited CBuzz sporadically recently. At home, I use IE7 pretty mych exclusively. Like I've said previously, I've tried FF and noticed no great advantage, yet I have run into an occasional site that doesnt load proprerly in FF. Perhaps I just didnt have the right "extension" but it makes no sense to me to be bothered with all of that when IE7 works just fine.
lata, jeremy

(posted using IE 6.0.2900.blahblahblah)


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