The only logical conclusion I can come up with is the Train Type. I know hypers/gigas tend to have a more open train design with no shoulder harness as opposed to shoulder harness on looping coasters, but I'd be willing to compromise so long as you give me a little room to breath in the restraints.
You guys have any thoughts on this? *** Edited 12/14/2003 3:24:39 AM UTC by slowmotion***
Now Vertcal Loops and Dive loops would work no problemo.
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There's no reason why it wouldn't work (they don't even need OTSR), but I think that the traditional looper and hyper resource has been tapped and the parks can't justify making the investment of another huge coaster just so that they have one that goes upside down when they already have one that has inversions.
If you define a hyper as standing height of over 200 feet, then Manhattan Express in Vegas qualifies as a "hyper-looper".
As far as a new layout, I'd loooove to see a nice big vertical loop on a B&M speed coaster.....
Rough? Not as bad as people make it seem.
EV, has a point too. Manhattan Express could fit the bill - and it's another that I don't think is as bad as it's rep.
I'm hardcore! ;)
Son of Beast certainly qualifies if we're talking 200+ feet and a loop.
Steel Phantom was good, but it was suffering miserably in its final days. The track is far better served as a straight-out hyper style, so much so that Revenge is still my favorite coaster, anywhere.
I don't think you'll see the two combined because even huge elements would lose their punch. A major part of inversions is to give positive Gs (fact pulled from Mitch's poll!) and something as big as a 200' tall loop probably won't do that. One thing that a lot of people I hear complain about and from what I remember from my trip a couple of years ago, Alpengeist suffers from this very fate. It's inversions take so long to navigate because they're so big that you're almost bored by the time you come out of the inversion. Nice concept, but I just don't think it'd work out.
Well, ya thats a bit of topic. But anywho, I just think the word hyperlooper is an oxymoron. I think its a great concept, just not very practical.
Edit: I posted in reply to eightdotthree's post. someone got there before me though, so I hadda go back and quote him to make my post understandable. *** Edited 12/14/2003 5:28:21 PM UTC by DorneyDante***
The large loop might be a bit impractical, but a Zero G-Roll replacing a large camel back isn't...and it would be completely easy to pull off. (without OTSR I imagine...)
I know technically it HAS been done, but not properly. I'm really quite surprised B&M or Intamin has stepped in and really put out some quality designs incorporating one or maybe two inversions into a hyper layout.
Besides, big loopers suck. Just look at Alpengeist. If that ride wasn't inverted it'd be boring as hell.
I'd love to see a big 'ole loop.Hangtime rocks!
....And one of the Hyper/Loopers , SOB, happens to be the best coaster on earth.;)
Besides , Chiller has huge Lapbars that are completely inescapable.
However I think of B:KF's huge loop and that's pretty much the only part of that coaster that does anything for me. I like the "floaty" nature at the top.
Another "floaty" inversion I really liked was the corkscrews at the overbraked end of Viper at SFMM - you fell into the OSTR and it was cool as hell.
Maybe a hyper with oversized inversions all of a "floaty" nature. It'd probably please me at least - and that's all that matters, right? ;)
-Now the current record holder for "floaty" useage-
Somehow I think there's a connection between them...sure, some people like 'em (sadists, LOL), but *popular*, not a chance. Myself, I'll admit to having a real soft spot for the twist-and-dive...;)
IMO, the best bet for a "good ride" to feature height AND inversions...long out and back with vertical loop(s) ONLY and lap bar restraints.
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