Hyper/Looper

Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:23 PM
I dont quite get why they haven't bred the two to make one sick coaster. I mean, think about the overbanked turn on Goliath @ SFH, which is totally awesome...but why not just put a Zero-G roll there? Now, I'm not talking something impossible here like a 500 ft. 10 inversion coaster...but I would like to see a good mix of the two..with only 1 or 2 inversions. My favorite inversions are Zero G rolls and Loops...so if you could incorporate that into ..oh say Texas Titan..that'd be rad. (maybe a giant loop as well, 200ft+..its possible).

The only logical conclusion I can come up with is the Train Type. I know hypers/gigas tend to have a more open train design with no shoulder harness as opposed to shoulder harness on looping coasters, but I'd be willing to compromise so long as you give me a little room to breath in the restraints.

You guys have any thoughts on this? *** Edited 12/14/2003 3:24:39 AM UTC by slowmotion***

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Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:32 PM
It's a good Idea , but Zero-G rolls(sorry) would ruin the effect. Hypers are built for air , thus the Lap bars. Put OTSR's on it , and that would stink.

Now Vertcal Loops and Dive loops would work no problemo.

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Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:41 PM
They bred the two.....it was called Steel Phantom, and well...it didn't fair too well! :)
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Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:51 PM
There's still one out there today, and of all things it's just uncanny that it happens to be made out of wood.

There's no reason why it wouldn't work (they don't even need OTSR), but I think that the traditional looper and hyper resource has been tapped and the parks can't justify making the investment of another huge coaster just so that they have one that goes upside down when they already have one that has inversions.

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Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:59 PM
Can a hyper-looper have offspring of its own? (Reminiscing of 9th grade bio)
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:36 AM
In best Yoda voice, ".....there is another."

If you define a hyper as standing height of over 200 feet, then Manhattan Express in Vegas qualifies as a "hyper-looper".

As far as a new layout, I'd loooove to see a nice big vertical loop on a B&M speed coaster.....

Later,
EV

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 1:34 AM
Does Batman & Robin - The Chiller count being that loops, its 200 ft, it also a launches, AND its a shuttle design, AND its a duel track. Now talk about your hyper/launched/dueling/shuttle/looper!!
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:01 AM
I still consider Steel Phantom among the top 20 coasters I've ever ridden.

Intense? Yes.

Rough? Not as bad as people make it seem.

EV, has a point too. Manhattan Express could fit the bill - and it's another that I don't think is as bad as it's rep.

I'm hardcore! ;)

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:13 AM
I agree that Manhattan Express isn't as bad as its rep, but that doesn't make it GOOD. ;)

Son of Beast certainly qualifies if we're talking 200+ feet and a loop.

Steel Phantom was good, but it was suffering miserably in its final days. The track is far better served as a straight-out hyper style, so much so that Revenge is still my favorite coaster, anywhere.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 10:07 AM
I too rank Phantom in my top 20; heck even top 10! Yes, it was probably way too rough, but when you rode it enough, you learned how to position yourself to avoid the roughness. But, that's water underthe bridge and there's an ok replacement there.

I don't think you'll see the two combined because even huge elements would lose their punch. A major part of inversions is to give positive Gs (fact pulled from Mitch's poll!) and something as big as a 200' tall loop probably won't do that. One thing that a lot of people I hear complain about and from what I remember from my trip a couple of years ago, Alpengeist suffers from this very fate. It's inversions take so long to navigate because they're so big that you're almost bored by the time you come out of the inversion. Nice concept, but I just don't think it'd work out.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 11:57 AM
I dont know about a hyper looper, but I want more loopers with airtime humps. Like a floorless with a few camelbacks inbetween the inversions.
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:25 PM
Manhattan Express does qualify...I thought it was bad but not "OMG, I'm never riding that ever again" worthy. I do agree we should see some more of these "hyperloopers."
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:26 PM
eightdotthree: "I dont know about a hyper looper, but I want more loopers with airtime humps. Like a floorless with a few camelbacks inbetween the inversions."

Well, ya thats a bit of topic. But anywho, I just think the word hyperlooper is an oxymoron. I think its a great concept, just not very practical.

Edit: I posted in reply to eightdotthree's post. someone got there before me though, so I hadda go back and quote him to make my post understandable. *** Edited 12/14/2003 5:28:21 PM UTC by DorneyDante***

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:47 PM
Its actually no less practical than building a large camel back. Son of Beast is the closest thing to a Hyperlooper that I can think of...but since its a woody its still pretty off...

The large loop might be a bit impractical, but a Zero G-Roll replacing a large camel back isn't...and it would be completely easy to pull off. (without OTSR I imagine...)

I know technically it HAS been done, but not properly. I'm really quite surprised B&M or Intamin has stepped in and really put out some quality designs incorporating one or maybe two inversions into a hyper layout.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 1:56 PM
It's not up to B&M or Intamin, it's up to the parks to decide what they want to build.

Besides, big loopers suck. Just look at Alpengeist. If that ride wasn't inverted it'd be boring as hell.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:10 PM
I say a Hyper with a nice loop somewhere in the ride would be cool. I think a Zero-G roll is pretty much required to have OTSR's.

I'd love to see a big 'ole loop.Hangtime rocks!

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....And one of the Hyper/Loopers , SOB, happens to be the best coaster on earth.;)

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:50 PM
You don't necessarily need OTSR's for a zero-g roll, look at the Chiller at GAdv, it has a zero-g roll and lapbars.
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Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:03 PM
Goodness people , stop using exceptions!:)

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Besides , Chiller has huge Lapbars that are completely inescapable.

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:04 PM
Both Impulse-ive & Jeff make good points with the Alpengeist example and I agree entirely - snoozefest.

However I think of B:KF's huge loop and that's pretty much the only part of that coaster that does anything for me. I like the "floaty" nature at the top.

Another "floaty" inversion I really liked was the corkscrews at the overbraked end of Viper at SFMM - you fell into the OSTR and it was cool as hell.

Maybe a hyper with oversized inversions all of a "floaty" nature. It'd probably please me at least - and that's all that matters, right? ;)

-Now the current record holder for "floaty" useage-

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Sunday, December 14, 2003 3:16 PM
Hmmm....ME, SoB, and the original Phantom....

Somehow I think there's a connection between them...sure, some people like 'em (sadists, LOL), but *popular*, not a chance. Myself, I'll admit to having a real soft spot for the twist-and-dive...;)

IMO, the best bet for a "good ride" to feature height AND inversions...long out and back with vertical loop(s) ONLY and lap bar restraints.

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