Hyper Rails or CoasterGen

I predict CoasterGen will never exist. Why?

Well, currently, there are no in-game screenshots, no reported progress (other than the 3D Studio Max renderings), unrealistic PC requirements, unrealistic game features (basically a RollerCoaster Tycoon/No Limits hybrid), and a proposed release date sometime in October. That's three months away, folks. Chris Sawyer has stated several weeks ago that RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 is about 98% complete, and its release date is also in October. I suspect CoasterGen is nowhere near halfway complete.

Also, the major coaster manufacturers are listed on their site. If the game is to be lisenced, they will need permission to use those names. Considering the fact that no coaster sim/game to date mentions any manufacturers, I seriously doubt permission will be granted.

While the renderings are quite good, I think the CoasterGen 'staff' members are in over their heads. It's nice for kids to have goals, but it's better for those goals to be remotely within reason. CoasterGen is not going to happen, and you can quote me on that.

EDIT: Jeff summed up everything I just said in one sentence. :)

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*** This post was edited by Vater on 7/15/2002. ***

Hyperrails. CoasterGen looks too cartoonish.

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I have a better question: Will Scream Machines ever be anything more than a demo? It's been in development for two years now, and it still has nothing but floorless trains in it. That doesn't sound like very much progress to me, even if the graphics and editor have been improved. Talk about vaporware! I expect CoasterGen to be finished way before Scream Machines, and DragonsIOA will still be working on Scream Machines for another two years from now.

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Urgh...Scream Machine - horrible graphics, horrible editor (NL was easier to use to me), horrible sounds, overall horrible game/sim.

As for the original question, I would take HyperRails. Coastergen looks like it will never be finished, plus the "developers" are rude and can't handle any criticism.

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Pardon my ignorance, but what's vaporware?

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Jeff, i'll keep this breif, because i dont want to be banned or anything, but take a look at this.... http://americacoasters.com/Matrix/Matrix.htm

Tell me i dont know what i'm talking about. By the looks of those Editor shots.. i dont see any Bezier ( hey, ok, i cant spell ) handles or anyhting. Trust me jeff, i know how to use them. I use them in 3DMAX all the time. I use the same method as Badnitrus.

I don't even know what you're talking about. What's an editor shot? That link doesn't show me anything relevant to the conversation.

My point to you was that you've haven't seen Hyper Rails, so saying what it is or isn't is like describing the surface of Uranus as if you've been there.

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From the screenshots of Hyperrails' editor, it looks much like the same editing style of the Scream Machines demo. I could swear that's a box with different arrows in it, which you can twist and move to your heart's content.

It is most certainly NOT just a rehash of 3D Roller Coaster Designer because the screen shots on HR's website show REAL coasters. There's no way you can make Riddler's Revenge with the limited options of 3D-RCD.

Coastergen just confuses the heck out of me. I am one of the fortunate ones, who's computer crashed a month ago and was *forced* to purchase a new, higher end machine. I could play that thing, based on the requirements.

I've not seen any more than anyone else here. No actual game shots. No editor shots. Just the 3DSM stuff. I was convinced there was no game. But...

They asked for beta testers! I want one of those who is actually testing it to tell me if this game exists.

They also have the release date set for October... Nuh uh. Unless they got something that I'm not seeing...

What I really want, more than anything, is another patch for No Limits. Maybe, optimize it better than before, and give us some new stuff to play with. The way I see it, NL was the first out (ok, many see it that way because it is a FACT) and people are just going to wait for more from that franchise before they get Hyperrails, which is essentially the same game, with a little more here, and a little less there.

If Ole can release another patch for the game that makes it run a bit better, adds new coaster types, and a few more tricks, it'll blow everything out. NL has the most superior editor in my eyes, certainly has the largest userbase (as it is really the only coaster sim out), and the stuff people have been doing with their imported objects is just phenominal. Terrains, stations, entire queues. Amazing stuff.

Edit to say: Hyperrails box says 'Full Control.' So, there... Still think No Limits is best, though .

Edit again to say: Ask and ye shall receive... No Limits update coming soon. Ooh! B&M Hyper! :)

*** This post was edited by I-Nar on 7/17/2002. ***

Most likely CoasterGen since I'm in the semi-finals to become a beta-tester :):)

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They have pics of the Hyper Rails editor and fromt he looks of it it reminds me of a Supped up UC3D editor, with Bezier curves

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Iron Draggon said:
I have a better question: Will Scream Machines ever be anything more than a demo? It's been in development for two years now, and it still has nothing but floorless trains in it. That doesn't sound like very much progress to me, even if the graphics and editor have been improved. Talk about vaporware! I expect CoasterGen to be finished way before Scream Machines, and DragonsIOA will still be working on Scream Machines for another two years from now.

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I don't believe there is a single true statement in there about Scream Machines but anyway... Since the last demo the fact that the game has been completely re-done should raise some attention to it. The game has extreme detail and could be coming out later this summer. Before you post inaccurate info you should do some research first. And as far as coastergen goes I don't expect to see it released and if it were released I doubt it would be anything much. As far as first impressions go CoasterGen isn't sounding too good.

I'm getting both of them they look pretty sexy.

Cameraman, there's still nothing but floorless coasters in SM Demo 2, even though it came out about a year after SM Demo 1 was released, and every time we all THINK that the SM Final is about to be released, Dragons IOA decides that it's time to completely redesign the game AGAIN! Haven't you noticed that they always cleverly avoid the questions about WHEN (if ever) the final version will be released? I'm not knockin' Dragons IOA, I think he totally ROCKS, and SM will surely be great, IF it's ever finished, but I honestly don't think that it ever WILL be finished in any of our lifetimes! Sure, they've got a bunch of different screenshots of stuff besides floorless coasters on their website, but those are just SCREENSHOTS, not one ounce of proof has been given to the GP that there's anything more to the game that's actually PLAYABLE besides floorless coasters! And what is their explanation behind all this? "There won't be anymore demos until the final version is completed" Translation: There won't be anymore demos, OR a final release, because it will NEVER be finished! Brian STILL can't find the time to finish it, after TWO YEARS of working on it, meanwhile No Limits is DONE, and IT was a ONE MAN SHOW! And you're telling me that Brian still can't get his act together with HELP? Please, just be honest and admit that SM is nothing more than VAPORWARE, or FINISH IT ALREADY!

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*** This post was edited by Iron Draggon on 7/24/2002. ***

Will either of these games feature something similar to Roller Coaster Tycoon? More specifically, will you be able to see the people riding the coasters or will it be like that game called Coaster (from the 1990's) where you just build one coaster, see it in action and then start a new one?

As the Hyper Rails site has already shown, you can put as many rides in the game as you'd like.

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IMO, CoasterGen seems very unbalanced...800mhz, 32 meg video card and only 64 megs of RAM? That does not seem right.

Since Coastergen will never be released, Hyper Rails.

As for Scream Machines, I've been skeptical too but the chat last Saturday made me optimistic for the game to be released.

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*** This post was edited by BrandonR on 7/24/2002. ***

Well jeff... and "editor shot" is a shot ( picture )that includes the "Editor" Make sense? It looks like the same type of thing as UC3D has. I dont see any Bezier handles to pull on. I see at the bottom it has a place to bend and twist the track using calculations... but i dotn see handles! You talk to me like i'm a retarded 12 year orld jeff. It isnt appreciated. I know what i'm talking about.

Another update with NL!

BIGGER SUPPORT TUBES!!! XL and XXL!

Able to see un-finished rides in the simulator!

Hes adding really good stuff! They really need bigger supports!

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DLDude: How else do you expect it to work? Of course it will have Bezier curves. And what did the link you posted have to do with anything?

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