How You, the Enthusiast, can Help Arrow Dynamics

Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:13 PM
Everyone. This is not to be debated on whether they make good or bad coasters, but rather a small way to help one of the last American Made Coaster compnaies that needs a little bit of help to preserve their history.

Go to their website, and click to the Arrow Store. If there really are thousands of you out there in cyberland, then buy something. A hat, shirt, whatever. Not nearly the money needed to put dozens of people to work, but maybe enough of them to get through the next few weeks, until some parts orders come in, or a new overseas project gets started.

I assume the store is still open, so just give it a try.

Agent Johnson, who started his career working on a Arrow Ride at Cedar Point years ago......

Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:15 PM
Good Idea!!!!
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Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:24 PM
Steel manufacturers have been closing down left and right for years. Just look at Gary, Indiana. That was probably the steel capital of the world at one time and now I think they have just a few plants left open. They had a story on the news of one steel plant which is in jeopardy of closing. The employees were going to the government to stop the closing. In an interview they stated that people are purchasing steel from other countries at much cheaper prices. They want the government to get tough on trade relations with steel.

Arrow should probably join in on this fight.

""An hour wait for a 2 minute thrill. Yes, we need our heads examined""

Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:01 PM
Sorry, I don't think you can save Arrow buy purchasing merchandise (it's a nice thought, though). The market determines who survives and who doesn't, and unfortunately, people didn't buy enough of Arrow's products over the last few years.

SFA 2002-What are they building?

Friday, December 14, 2001 12:34 AM
Funny, I was going to start a topic about this as well.
I would agree to a point that it's going to take a bit more than a dozen shirts sold to help ol' Arrow out, but it would help to keep their website up and their store open, plus raise their spirits a bit as well
Friday, December 14, 2001 3:35 AM
If Arrow dies it will be their own fault, only they can save themselves and it should have started a long time ago by trying to make bigger, better coasters. 

But it seems they were too satisfied with themselves, going off into all kinds of crazy prototype designs, and Morgan, B & M and Intamin smoked their*****with straight up old fashioned thrill machines, and now Arrow might be through.  Some of my best rides were on the old Arrow shuttle loop at Riverside Park, but if Arrow goes down, I am not going to shed any tears...

Friday, December 14, 2001 3:42 AM
Its not their fault if a park doesn't order any rides.....

Thats why Arrow developed other new designs... to market themselves even further.

But, Arrow is at fault for not updating their technology when Toomer was in charge...

Friday, December 14, 2001 3:53 AM
I'll tell you this JDB..  we're all kinda in this together..  if Arrow dies, we all take a hit in some way.  Competition in the coaster world helps everyone.  It especially helps the little guys (Visionland, Jazzland, HW) who may not be able to pony up 10 million plus.  The more coaster companies churning out coasters, the better all the rest are gonna be.  You may personally not care about the fate of Arrow Dynamics, but if you love coasters, you might wanna consider trying.
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Friday, December 14, 2001 4:17 AM
Chit-Town: Was that LTV Steel? An Ex-Girlfriend of mine works there as she has been pretty stressed out all year because she never knows when they are going to finally pull the plug and leave her unemployed. I keep telling her that she needs to take a few days and search elsewhere, but she doesnt want to take any time off cause she doesnt want to lose pay (all paid vacation time had been suspended). It's a real f-ed up Catch-22.
--"Well, you're damned if you do, damned if you dont" Bart Simpson - 'Do the Bartman'
Friday, December 14, 2001 4:23 AM
Yes Jeremy. It was LTV steel. A pretty sad situation.
"The Peoples Elbow" or "The Spinaroonie?. Cant decide which is the most electrifying move in sports entertainment!!! LOL
Friday, December 14, 2001 4:45 AM
This is a great idea. I will do it, but I have one question. On the Arrow site's "rides" section why cant you pull any coasters up? It always says- "no listings at this time"
Friday, December 14, 2001 4:46 AM
My aunt was laid-off from there (LTV) as well back in October....
Friday, December 14, 2001 5:17 AM
Arrow's death is a good thing.  Arrow hasn't shown much in the way of inovation in the last 10 years.  Any company that produces such pieces of garbage like PKI's Bat and BGW's Dracken Fyre should go out of business.  Arrow's absense will make room for more innovative companies like S & S and Setpoint to attract more business.

BTW don't even try to tell me PKI's Bat is a great coaster.  Great coasters last more than 3 years.  The same argument applies to Dracken Fyre.  If these coaster were any good they would still be in service today.

Also, don't try and push 'X' on me either.  'X' isn't running. 'X' is way off schedule.  "X' is more proof that rrow should die, just like Vekoma (who also can't seem to make deadlines)

It's time for new ideas in the coaster industry.  Let's get rid of the old dinosaurs.*** This post was edited by PointMan on 12/14/2001. ***

*** This post was edited by PointMan on 12/14/2001. ***

Friday, December 14, 2001 6:42 AM
Arrow's death? Aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves?
"Time flies...Whether you're having fun or not". -Mary Engelbreit.
Friday, December 14, 2001 7:04 AM
Arrow has filed chapter 11, which is in no way the end. This is a way for Arrow to reconsolidate its debt. They are proable forced to close down their steel fabrication to satisfy the court in order to file a chapter 11. This will make Arrow a better company in the long run.
Friday, December 14, 2001 7:08 AM
Uhm, Arrow has shown more innovation in the last 10 years than most companies.  Just because they didn't SELL a lot of their innovative designs, doesn't mean they were sitting on their butt.

Besides, Arrow is the most historically important creater of steel rollercoasters, their demise is anything but good!

Likewise, Vekoma only started to flounder when they broke away from cloning the same old rides and tried pushing some new ideas. 

Basically, innovation doesn't always pay off.

Friday, December 14, 2001 7:10 AM
For the details on the staus of the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy PROTECTION Filing, see the news section.

Now please go buy a Shirt, they make Great Christmas Gifts

*** This post was edited by john peck on 12/14/2001. ***

Friday, December 14, 2001 7:41 AM
Pointman, did you bother checking your post before you hit enter? If you had, you would've noticed that you missed the "A" in Arrow several times.

I think you're rather harsh in your reply. I can point out many rides that were delayed not made by Vekoma or Arrow. Superman the Escape, Volcano the Blast Coaster (Intamin), or Batman & Robin the Chiller (Premier) ring any bells?

Have you noticed that no one (as of right now) is building another Thrust Air 2000 in America? That's because, mechanically it's a piece of garbage (your words). On two separate visits, it broke down for a long period of time. Paramount also lost a lot of money giving away free tickets to people waiting in line, only to have the ride break down. Boy, that sounds like a ride I'd like to build.
SFA 2002-What are they building?

Friday, December 14, 2001 11:27 AM
Arrow Die?  I can believe this!  Just because they have been quiet for a while doesnt mean anything.  At least they DID figure out that they needed to change their coaster to a smoother style.  It isnt exactly the easiest thing in the world to design a coaster.  I would think that even building a coaster that people still ride is a great acomplishment.(I still love Mega-Loopers)
Friday, December 14, 2001 12:49 PM
I hope they can pull through this so we can see more 4d's and there other new designs. But I don't think they need my help of buying a T-shirt, the thing that can help them is the parks they need to sell coasters not T-shirts too get back into the mix.

My Top 5 Coasters:
1. Raging Bull(SFGAm) 2.Millenium Force(CP) 3. Deja Vu(SFGAm) 4.V2(SFGAm) 5.Cornball Express(IB)


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