How will SFMW respond to PGA's 2003 attractions?

Monday, November 4, 2002 1:40 PM

I think if SFMW repsonds correctly to PGA in 2003, SFMW will build a new coaster or drop ride and add some more flat rides. What do you all think?

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Monday, November 4, 2002 1:42 PM
Has PGA announced their new 2003 coaster[s] yet?

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Monday, November 4, 2002 1:58 PM
No, they haven't. From what I understand, the announcement won't come for awhile, so there's nothing for SFMW to respond to yet, which is the whole point... I think...

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Monday, November 4, 2002 2:01 PM
I was about to say. Plus Bay Areans are pretty much tired of Great America anyway. I know so many people who say they have not been there since Stealth even though the park is 5 minutes away. I hear rumblings of an Intamin hyper akin to E:GeF or a Setpoint water coaster. We have seen no track and the park opens in March. I dunno.
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Monday, November 4, 2002 4:52 PM

Yup, nothing but rumors thus far, and that's exactly the way PGA would like it to remain, at least for about 2 more weeks... ;)

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Monday, November 4, 2002 10:26 PM

Antuan said:
I was about to say. Plus Bay Areans are pretty much tired of Great America anyway.


Haha... "Bay Areans." I live in the Bay, and I have never heard that term used before. So, what do you call white supremacists who live out here? "Bay Aryans." =P

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 4:45 AM

*If* the E-GF inspired Intamin rumors are accurate, I know a trip to NorCal will be in order at some point mext year.

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 6:19 AM
Basshedz, that term is copyrighted....for a small fee you may use it :). I am over in South City, where are you at?
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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 6:49 AM

BassHedz said:
So, what do you call white supremacists who live out here? "Bay Aryans." =P


I've got "another" name for them....but I wouldn't post it on a family site...;)

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 7:22 AM

Antuan says:

"Plus Bay Areans are pretty much tired of Great America anyway."

Really? So I take it you know every single "Bay Arean" in the Bay Area? That's a lot of people. Perhaps you are tired of PGA, but the park always has a healthy crowd each time I've visited.

Moosh

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 8:04 AM
Well hot diggity, I didn't mean every single person mooshmiester. Plus a park in such a heavily populated area should be getting more than 1.8 million a year.

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 8:43 AM

According to the latest census data the Bay Area metro area [SF, San Jose, etc] has a population of just over 7 million. If PGA is getting 1.8 million of them, that's 25% of the population. Doesn't sound so bad to me.

Matthew

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 9:28 AM

PGA does need a shot in the arm, which is exactly what they will get next year. To answer the original question, SFMW had best focus on what makes them a unique park in the Bay Area, the combination thrill park and animal park. It's worked well for them thus far, and with so many regulations and limits placed on the park, not to mention very limited space and no clear ownership of the park, they won't be able to respond in kind to what PGA is doing next year.

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 9:37 AM

I'm still baffled as to how a park with an FAA imposed height restriction of 150 feet will get something close to Expedition GeForce's height??? Can someone help me out on this one???

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 9:41 AM
Drop Zone is 224. If they were either bribed with money or boobs, it can be done. :)

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 9:46 AM

With all of the Paramount parks receiving attractions next year, I just dont see how they will add 2 coasters plus some flats next year. We are talking alot of money... The Intamin would be in the 10-12 million range and the super saturator is around 4-5 million. I know they are trying to compete with Marine World, but that is ALOT of Cap-ex for one park when several of the other parks are getting about that amount in their Nickelodeon areas. Also, those HUSS Giant rides are about as much as small coasters.

Paramount usually doesnt spend that much on their parks in one year. Especially in this economy. I'm not saying it isnt gonna happen, I'm just trying to use logic here....

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 10:03 AM

1) Drop Zone is 224ft, the parks sky coaster is 185ft tall. PGA has been denied hypers twice before, in both cases, Morgan hypers well over 200ft. Intamin offerred the kind of modifications that the park needed to get it pass the city. While the lift hill will indeed exceed regulations, the rest of the coaster will not... ;)

2) Paramount spent $17 million on Stealth alone three years ago, 2 million more than they are spending next year...

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 10:41 AM

True Outkast, but in that year, did EVERY Paramount Park receive an attraction and did 2 or more of them receive more than a 10 million dollar expansion??

Paramount just isn't used to spending that kind of money at one park when all of the others are getting major cap-ex as well thats all I'm saying. I think it would be great for PGA to get 2 coasters! All the more reason for me to truck up there and check them out!

And, they were SO ROBBED on Stealth. Notice where the next two "Paramount Purchased" Vekoma FD's ended up ;)

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 10:50 AM

True enough Chris, but where would those "Paramount purchased" Vekoma FDs have ended up if Stealth had proven to be the reliable HIT that S:UF turned out to be....Paramount took a gamble, it could have paid off BIG or it could have COST them....

bill, saying everything is crystal-clear in the rear-view mirror...;)

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Tuesday, November 5, 2002 11:01 AM

There's a bigger picture here as well. PGA needs an increase in attendance, some of which has been lost to SFMW and rides like Medusa and Roar. Paramount wants to test out this type of ride in one of their parks to see if there's any significant increase in guests through the gate. If there is, there are a couple of other parks in the chain we may see installing this type of attraction. The Super Saturator was going in regardless.

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