Holiwood Nights 5/23-24/08

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Friday, June 6, 2008 4:00 PM

Lord Gonchar said:
"Patrons have a duty to not participate in or on any amusement ride, device, or attraction when under the influence of drugs or alcohol."

IAC 685 doesn't actually say this, the article it adopts by reference does...and that's the same thing.

Let's not turn this into a withchunt on our end too. :)


That's fine, and I full and well expected that there was a section (law) on rider responsibility. I just quickly had time to look up this particular part and didn't see it. Didn't have much time to go and search more.

Although I'd like to see some source, I'll just accept that there is.

I'm also fairly certain there is law that basically outlines a patron of the park must follow guidelines and rules that the park sets forth. If I'm wrong then this doesn't matter.....

However, if not, it's somewhat troubling to me simply because it swings a door wide open. I'm not saying HW would, or is going to at all, but if such a law exist, they could prosecute people for not obeying the rules. Remember, I said could, because I know full well that this hasn't happened and I have no real reason to believe it's going to.

But, with forcing people to sign "citations" that admit guilt, it's a dangerous road. These people may not be aware they can be prosecuted for disobeying park rules. It just seems these people were approached and asked to sign something and I think they really had no idea of the possibilities. Because if HW really didn't wanna take it one step further, these people are suddenly in a bad position to fight it.......

I'm not saying any of this is going to happen. It's just a simple matter that people should resist signing anything, anytime.

I don't know specifically if there are such laws in place. I thought I had seen a few places that they did exist, but if I am wrong, then none of it matters.

But if it does, it's concerning, at least to me.

I also don't feel like I'm going off on a witch hunt either! Just throwing out some reasons why I really don't like the idea that someone signed any document provided by the park saying they were guilty of some offense. Simply because it's impossible for that person to know all the possible ramifications of doing so......

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Friday, June 6, 2008 4:10 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side. 100%.

Just felt like it was treading awfully close to the same sort of thing that the accusers are angry about. Hence my advice:

Let's not turn it into a witch hunt on our end too. :)

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Friday, June 6, 2008 4:21 PM
But we need to find out if you float. ;)
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Friday, June 6, 2008 4:30 PM

Lord Gonchar said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side. 100%.

Just felt like it was treading awfully close to the same sort of thing that the accusers are angry about. Hence my advice:

Let's not turn it into a witch hunt on our end too. :)


Well, then we can really just brush over everything else... and emphasize that mostly I'm concerned about people signing things. Maybe I went to far explaining why I take issue with that....

The reality of it is, HW or no other business will ever sign anything like what they asked some of these folks to sign. So, why are they expecting them too?

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Friday, June 6, 2008 4:33 PM

boblogone said:
But we need to find out if you float.

But a duck floats too... :)

*** Edited 6/6/2008 8:40:35 PM UTC by redman822***

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Friday, June 6, 2008 4:43 PM
Well he does seem to be a 'floater' after what he did. ;)
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Friday, June 6, 2008 5:58 PM
Here ya go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

The question remains, do the coasters at Holiday World weigh more than a duck? *** Edited 6/6/2008 10:13:48 PM UTC by RatherGoodBear***

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Friday, June 6, 2008 6:20 PM
I thought I'd get my husband's thought on the restrictions, bootings and write-ups. He's not an enthusiast at all, but he attended that fateful SRM in 2003.

His response is, yes, the park was a little over-zealous. But somebody died at the park, even if not during, but due to an enthusiast event. Therefore, he thinks the park has every right to be stricter with enthusiasts and we either play good or risk losing the events.

I have to agree with him. There is so much the Koch's have to lose, COULD have lost. They do not wish to take any chances. Period. And we, as a group, must accept that.

If people wish to boycott the park and events there because of it, that's their decision. I, for one, will not.

I'm a fast learner, even if I am an old fart. I now know not to drink just before an event, and my feet will remain flat on the floor of the train. Neither is a difficult rule for me to follow.

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Friday, June 6, 2008 6:37 PM
Is Gonch on the Holiday World payroll? Conspiracy?
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Friday, June 6, 2008 9:49 PM
Isn't there at least some sort of...."Hey, are you sure you want to delete this entire thread??!!" warning that pops up when you click the "Delete Topic" button?

And who in their right mind would ever put the "Delete Topic" button next to the "Submit Reply" one?

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Friday, June 6, 2008 9:57 PM

Super Loopy said:

And who in their right mind would ever put the "Delete Topic" button next to the "Submit Reply" one?


Jeff... ;) :)

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Friday, June 6, 2008 10:09 PM

Super Loopy said:
Isn't there at least some sort of...."Hey, are you sure you want to delete this entire thread??!!" warning that pops up when you click the "Delete Topic" button?

Nope. I think we're all generally trusted to not be so dumb as to accidentally hit delete.

I proved that one wrong. :)


And who in their right mind would ever put the "Delete Topic" button next to the "Submit Reply" one?

The mod tools are below and to the right. I have my mouse set up on the sensitive side - it just takes me a slight movement to get from "submit reply" to "delete" - attempt to post at the exact moment a commotion caused me to quickly spin around and...well... :(

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Friday, June 6, 2008 10:13 PM
The only negative discussion about Holiday World and it disappears?

Conspiracy Gonch. :)

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Friday, June 6, 2008 10:20 PM
Right?

Trust me, I'm friggin' suicidal over it.

I'm banking on some kind of back-up function on the CB database.

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Friday, June 6, 2008 10:50 PM
Well, at first I was nearly homicidal over it... ;) :) *** Edited 6/7/2008 2:50:42 AM UTC by redman822***
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Friday, June 6, 2008 11:17 PM
Well I know HW was aware of the thread. I really don't regret anything I had said but I was at the point of other than some suggestions, I really wasn't adding, Just repeating.

I really also apreciated the ones who were or felt wronged comming on and telling the truth as they seen it.

For actual rule breakers that got removed, I have no pity I just get the feeling that for the slightest reason I could have got singled out for something.

Chuck, who still can't figure out being allowed to take the ride he was aparently trying to defeat the restraint on and then getting the warning?

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Friday, June 6, 2008 11:19 PM



"Patrons have a duty to not participate in or on any amusement ride, device, or attraction when under the influence of drugs or alcohol."

See, here's what I'm not sure of when reading this. I have always thought that "under the influence" meant "over the legal limit of .08".

You can get pulled over, blow a .07 and not be considered as under the influence by legal standards, however - if you're obviously impaired, the officer can make a call on that one and tow your car/call you a cab. I'm not sure if they can give you a DUI/OVI/whatever your state calls it if you aren't over the legal limit (though, in OH they can give you an OVI for driving while tired now so...)

So, the question to ponder is, by Indiana law, are riders with anything over a .00 considered to be riding "under the influence".

I think that makes for an interesting thought.

Josh

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Saturday, June 7, 2008 12:16 AM
I can't believe you Gonch.

I just can't!

This selling out out HW is probably worse than CF shutting down GL. ;)

~Rob Willi

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Saturday, June 7, 2008 12:24 AM
Ok. The final verdict is:

CB has no undelete.

Lost forever to my stupidity.

Seriously, guys (and gals). I'm so sorry. I know a lot of you were on the fence and worked up some courage to post your feelings here. For me to delete that was beyond any words I'll ever be able to find. Feel free to repost anything you'd like to. I promise I won't post anymore in this thread so there's no chance of my carelessness affecting anyone again.

June 6th will forever be "Kick Gonch In The Nuts Day"

Again, my sincerest apologies and feel free to let me have it as much as you let HW have it in the original thread. :)

Just because the thread is gone, doesn't mean the feelings are though. I can't take that away. No one should think they're off the hook. I might have made the words in those posts disappear, but I can't even begin to kill the passion, spirit and feelings that those posts represented.

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Saturday, June 7, 2008 12:49 AM
I don't know what to say....wait, I have said that already!

I hear there is going to be a new HW event called "Lord Gone-2-far"....accidentally that is. :)

Couldn't resist Gonch....oh well...stuff happens.

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