Holiday World Steel?

CCMR and Trailblazer!? LOL! Weren't these two of the worst 25 or so steel coasters on the ISTCP?? I would certainly hope HW would have a little more creativity than this and I know they do. How about along the lines of Roadrunner Express...

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shutupandride said:
What do you think will be expanding first Splashin Safari or Holiday world. Also are you going to try to expand all the way to the edge quickly or keep it fairly small and add on very little.

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We usually wait until at least mid-season to decide on what to do for the next year--we watch where the lines are in the park, plus listen to in-park surveys and Comment Cards.

In a tortoise-and-the-hare situation, we choose slow and steady. We'll keep growing, but don't expect us to double in size from one year to the next. :)

Thanks so much for your interest! Paula

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Paula Werne
Director of Public Relations
Holiday World & Splashin' Safari
Santa Claus, Ind.
JPWerne@holidayworld.com

I DID say "on steroids". :) I happen to think CCMR is a great starter coaster, and would love to see a Holiday World take on the "runaway mine train" thing.

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But why build a steelie that will cost twice as much as a CCI and only be half as good? ;)

Hey Paula, if you need any consultation on a CCI racer/deuler in the 4th of July section just let me know. :)

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I know what you said Greg, but wouldn't Trailblazer on Steriods be... CCMR!? ;)

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Danny

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ravenguy98 said:

But why build a steelie that will cost twice as much as a CCI and only be half as good?

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Yeah but don't you think that the GP might want a little more diversity than wooden coasters. Wooden coasters are great but having 3 of them and no other kinds of coasters other than a kiddie one isn't very good if you want people to come there over and over. Loopers really attract alot of people and get people to come again and again.

I think a high intense duelling/racer from CCI would be sweet. Just not a wood steel combo. Strictly wood, I don't find the wood steel combo's that attractive.

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People already go to HW over and over, where have you been? The GP just wants to have fun, they could really care less what the ride they are on is made of.

I think you would know what I mean if you had actually visited the park. Its already perfect as it is, and any new coasters would just be icing on the cake, and with the demographics this park caters to, a B&M just wouldn't be the way to go. Just a few years ago the park was almost strictly what some would call a "children's" park, and the place is still very much rooted in that tradition, despite the addition of 2 of the most hard core coasters in the world.

(And by perfect I mean as perfect as can be without a dark ride, a carousel, and a ferris wheel. ;) )

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*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 4/2/2002. ***

I think a small intamin would fit nicely... maybe a small coaster like Lethal Weapon at MovieWorld, except w/o the launch. A terrain coaster with a couple of barrel rolls, it's small, quiet, and would really give HW another great coaster.

I havent been to Holiday World Yet (hopefully this summer), but how 'bout a large red,white and blue steel coaster for an "Independence Day" Theme.

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ravenguy98 said:

But why build a steelie that will cost twice as much as a CCI and only be half as good?

Hey Paula, if you need any consultation on a CCI racer/deuler in the 4th of July section just let me know.

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I'm with you on this one. Wood rules :)

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Charles Nungester

Americana is opening in 2002 and needs your support as many company picnics are already schedualed for someplace else, Indivdual visits are very improtant to the parks survival.

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shutupandride said:

Yeah but don't you think that the GP might want a little more diversity than wooden coasters. Wooden coasters are great but having 3 of them and no other kinds of coasters other than a kiddie one isn't very good if you want people to come there over and over. Loopers really attract alot of people and get people to come again and again.

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Sure, I think diversity is good. However I see the GP falling hook line and sinker for these two woodies and IMHO they are enough to bring me back time and again alone.

A anton or a small intamin of some type might be nice at HW , Most people who love these two coasters might consider B&M to be wimpy.

Chuck, often wrong, Nungester

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Charles Nungester

Americana is opening in 2002 and needs your support as many company picnics are already schedualed for someplace else, Indivdual visits are very improtant to the parks survival.

hehehe... People just aren't happy until they see shiny steel at every park. At Knott's, as great as Ghostrider is, it was never enough. Review after review stated that Knott's needed a "world class steel coaster" to be considered great. When did this rule start? Or is it more a "presonal preference" from enthusiasts who never remove their cap? I don't think parks need steel gimmicks to survive or even to improve. And I like steel coasters...

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Well my look at how the GP looks at holiday world is pretty slim. The people I've talked to loved the park. But I talked to someone about Raven and The Legend and he said those 2 coasters are for weenies. Well don't yell at me for that remark yell at him. He isn't an enthusiast so to me he's a part of the GP. I guess he gets that view becuase he grew up on CP though. I also take note of my friends when I go to parks they usually prefer the looping and fast coasters instead of the wood airtime ones. So thats where I get my view on the GP yours may be different. Also when I mention Holiday World to the people at my school they have no clue what I'm talking about even though it's 2 hours away. But most of them know about Indiana Beach which is 2 hours away. I've never seen an advertisement for Holiday World but have seen tons for Indiana Beach. I think that they could get more people going if they advertised in the Indianapolis area alot more and then more people to come again and again and again. I'll say it again I have barely any sources of the GP on Holiday World so thats why I'm coming to these conclusions

I'll probably get reemed for this, but here goes:

As shutupandride says, his friends think wooden coasters are for weenies. Therefore, those teen-agers have no reason to visit Holiday World.

Perhaps it's this lack of rampant, unsupervised teen-agers running about that gives HW its great atmosphere? Would the addition of a steel coaster ruin HW's family atmosphere by attracting unsupervised kids in groups?

NOTE that this is not a dis of teens in general... just the misbehaving ones. Also note that personally I love steel and would love to see Intamin track snaking its way through the woods alongside Raven...

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Legend and Raven are 2 of the most hardcore, wild, intense coasters ever built. I don't think that anyone here who has ridden either will disagree on that point.

As for people not knowing about HW, the park isn't looking to be the biggest park in the world, or have the most coasters, or anything along those lines, they just want to be the best they can be. The park's attendance has grown dramatically in the past years since the Raven's debut. Its a small, family owned park, and I don't think Will's intentions are to ever deviate from that.

They aren't hurting in the attendance figures, because obviously the park is in incredibly good health as it is. If it weren't, would they be offering free drinks, free sunscreen, and free parking? Holiday World has found their niche, and nobody else in the industry comes even close to touching them in so many departments. Just let them run the park as they are, and that little slice of coaster heaven in the middle of nowhere just past Louisville will be there for many, many more years to come. Will knows what he wants, and he knows what we want, and he clearly knows what the general consumer at his park wants. I say, keep it coming, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it...just make it better and better, little by little every year.

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*** This post was edited by ravenguy98 on 4/2/2002. ***

....I agree with those that think a mine ride could go VERY well with the theming, scenery and general atmosphere of HW. Any big steel coaster, IMO, would change the "aura" (here I go again with the hippies, LOL). But a nice mine ride, through the woods, perhaps a small *tunnel*, would fit just like a glove (well, any glove other than OJ's)....

Seriously guys take a look at Tennesee Twister, it's small terrain hugging unobtrusive and looks great out in the woods I see nothing wrong with a small megalooper like that at HW. And a new Arrow would be alot cheaper and prvide the same thrills and ride as a B and M. Would is great and all but the GP likes steel that is a common known fact. I really doubt a small steelie like this would ruin anything, I believe an Intamin Jr Hyper, B and M Invert or somehting along those lines would. A mine ride or a small looper would however fit in great.

Hey Den just to tell you the person that said those coasters are for weenies is an adult. He is the Junior High youth pastor at my church and he said that when I was trying to get our youth group to go there sometime. Just to tell you. And ravenguy98 I agree with everything you say I was just thinking that Holiday World didn't get much attendance but now I know they get enough. Lets go back to the original question: Do you think a Steel would fit into Holiday World. And please do not say why they don't need one I am just wondering if it would fit into the park.

*** This post was edited by shutupandride on 4/2/2002. ***

Just for the record, in spite of my suggestion, I'm not one of those who thinks HW needs a steel coaster to be a great park. Heck, on my one and only visit, Raven was the only coaster in the park and I had an absolute blast! So I also totally agree, HW doesn't really need a steel coaster to continue to be an incredible park. However . . .

My suggestion stems from riding Raven through that awesome forest! See, we don't have any parks like that out here on the West coast that are built in a forest. SFMM is the closest thing we got, and it's only a small section of the park that is already overcrowded with rides, and not nearly as densly forested(if there's even such a word!). So it's not so much that HW needs a steel coaster, just out of any park I've been to, they have the absolute perfect location for one IMO.

And the kind of B&M invert I have in mind isn't even a multi-gazillion dollar mega looper. I'd love to see an 85ft tall non-inverting B&M invert racing along side Raven, diving into that ravine and flying around the trees with near misses, g' packed turns and drops, would just be too sweet!

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