First off, friendliest staff: I didn't see much of a difference from any of the other parks I go to. I was expecting the ride ops to be cheery and smiling. When I say thanks for something, I expect a "your welcome". None of it rubbed me the wrong way or anything, I just didn't see what all the fuss was about.
Cleanest park: yeah, pretty clean. Not much to say there.
Best water ride: yeah it was pretty cool. I like originality, and this ride definitely wins points from me there.
And finally, #1 wooden coaster: The Raven. Are you kidding me? No way. Absolutely no way. I have only ridden about 10 wooden coasters, the best being The Beast, so I measure everything up to that ride. The Raven didn't even come close. I came in with an open mind and I was really looking foward to it, but I got off disappointed. It is a great ride, and I can see how it would make it in the top 10, but it was just too short and not that intense. On the other hand, I was very impressed with The Legend. It is a larger, longer, faster, and clearly better version of The Raven. I rode it four times, one front car, and loved every bit of it. The Beast will always be number one in my heart, because it was the first coaster I every liked, and the double helix finally is unmatched by any other element on any coaster, anywhere. But none of that has anything to do with my feelings about The Raven. #1 wooden coaster in the world? That's a joke.
Overall, Holiday World was a fun experience and will definately be a place that I take my kids to. But being with 3 friends that were spoiled by Cedar Point, I didn't really get chance to experience the whole park, nor did I really care to. I wanted to ride their two coasters just so I could finally see what all the hype was about. The Legend: great ride, worth its #5 ranking if not higher. The Raven: come on people.
*** This post was edited by Bakeman 9/14/2003 11:37:09 PM ***
As for the staff, after doing 18 parks this year, they were the friendliest staff I saw this year. This was the ONLY park where I found a staff that would say "You're welcome" and smile back at me. In an age when most amusement park's staff is poorly trained and has poor morale, the staff at Holiday World is a refreshing change.
As for the cleanliness, I could argue with that just for the fact that at some of the Disney parks I was at this year a sweep would almost catch any litter before it fell from your hand to the ground.
Holiday World is not a big park, and they don't have a lot of coasters. To someone who is not a park enthusiast and is just a coaster enthusiast, their view of the park might be a bit jaded and that is understandable. To someone who is more of a park enthusiast like myself, I am proud to call it my favorite park.
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But yeah, I think everyone has an opinion that is strkingly different than most people. (I remember a thread about that) I for example, thought Shivering Timbers was horrible. I'm sure there are plenty of people here that think call it their favorite. Everyone's different, thats all.
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As Mitch always said, "If you had a freind who was a tightrope walker and he fell down just walking down the street, that would be completely unacceptable."
I do side with the peeps that think "The Legend" is a better woodie overall. The layout and elements to me produce a better experience. Maybe its the tunnels, maybe the helices, or maybe, just maybe, its the ending fly-by near the station house.
I can't really give a definite as to why Legend places better than Raven in my book, but it just does.
The park overall is a pleasant experience that any park goer should check out. Its just a relaxing atmosphere that has enough to do to make an enjoyable day.
Some won't find this park anything outstanding and I can understand that, but its a park that shouldn't be missed if you are in the area.
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*** This post was edited by Chitown 9/15/2003 2:33:05 AM ***
Bakeman, how old are you?
I'm just asking because I know a lot of younger enthusiats that would rather be at the big corporate themers, and leave the sweetheart parks like Knoebels, HW, BGW, etc...dissapointed. There's nothing wrong with that, just a matter of what people like at certain ages.
Maybe you're 45, I dunno. :)
If you've only been on 10 wood coasters, I think you probably don't have the range of experience to know just how good the Holiday World coasters are, and how well they're maintained. That's not intended to be a slam, just an observation.
As for the Beast, it's long, and that's neat, but it's mostly a lot of meandering through the woods to get to the helix at the end. No ride executes as well The Legend.
I used to have the mindset that if a park was too small then it wasn't worth my time. Five years ago I probably would not have thought that Holiday World, Indiana Beach, or even my former home park (Camden Park) would be worth it. I suppose that you learn to love all parks, and not just judge the park by the rides themselves. I will visit any park once. If I don't like it, fine, but at least I give it a chance.
You certainly are entitled to your opinion and if Holiday World didn't exaclty blow you away then that is fine. :-)
There are several parks I think are overrated/underratted too. :-) Each park has it's own unique rides/atmosphere.
I think Legend, Raven, and the Cornball Express are three of the best woodies I have ever had the pleasure. That will never change. :-)
Gimme speed, height, airtime and plenty of LAUNCH!!!
*** This post was edited by coasterqueenTRN 9/15/2003 11:38:40 AM ***
I too share some of the same feelings about Holiday World as you do. I felt it was a great park, but it never blew me away. The Legend is definitely a better coaster than the Raven, and Zinga was a blast!
I think the biggest problem with Holiday World is their capacity planning. They've marketed the heck out of the place, and have seen annual increases in their attendance, but the capacity of their rides just can't meet the demand. I was there on August 23rd, and the wait times were ridiculous. We waited over an hour for Zinga, and almost the same amount for the bumper boats! I couldn't believe they would install a space shot ride that can only handle approximately 200 people an hour (my educated guess), and they definitely need another train on the Raven.
If they want to keep the small park feel, that's great, but they need to turn down the advertising and promoting a bit. Until they build a few more rides that can handle larger crowds, I'll probably only visit every the place every few years rather than make it a permanent spot on my yearly list. The park has potential, but needs help in the planning department.
The phrase "if you build it, they will come" might work for the first time visitor, but once they've spent a day (10 hours) at the park and only rode 8 rides like I was able to, they may think again before visiting again.
Edited for spelling errors.
*** This post was edited by Jazzman 9/15/2003 12:57:18 PM ***
Raven is phenomenal especially with the lake turn, the 5th drop and the swooping bank turns at the end. It always makes me want more (thank God for re-rides).
Legend is an amazing coater that woops the crap out of you in a good way. The laterals are insane almost to the point where it is too much. It's a coaster that takes my breath away. When I hit the station it is like I have not breathed for the last two minutes.
As to how I rank Legend and Raven I can't do it.
I think that the friendliest staff gold ticket refers to most hospitable. Things like free soda and sunscreen add into that. My question is did you buy anything? The people who work food and the shops are always friendly. The ride ops are doing there job and let’s face it how excited would you be after checking thousands of lap bars and seat belts a day. The ops sill are not frowning or moping around like you see in a lot of parks.
Responding to Jazz - you said it right in your post AUGUST 23rd. If you don't like big crowds don't visit in August. They get about 3 weekends a year that are that busy. I was there last weekend and practically everything was a station wait.
CCI here I come!
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*** This post was edited by jfmoe 9/15/2003 1:24:20 PM ***
That being said, with the exception of Lightning Racer, CCI dominates my top 10 as it probably dominates the lists of several others. These rides are all so good that there is not much of a difference between 1 and 10 for me, so I don't take too much stock in all the lists out there.
As far as cleanliness and friendliness goes, Holiday World is very deserving of their high ranking. Having the chance to go to about 25 different parks a year, it is clear that they set the bar much higher in these two categories.
Now for the downside. Capacity, or a lack thereof, would be my only complaint about Holiday World. I think that the popularity of the park is its only downfall. Not a bad thing for the park, but if your plan is to ride several rides in a short period of time, you're out of luck. I don't know what kind of solution is out there for this park. Any steps to increase capacity would probably take away from the small park feel of the place. I guess this is just an issue that we as park goers will just have to deal with. I'd personally hate to see any major changes take place that take away from "that feel".
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*** This post was edited by SJCoasternut 9/15/2003 1:44:29 PM ***
Regarding capacity, you go on one of the busiest weeks of the year and it's going to be crowded, especially in the water park. Legend nearly eats people and word on the street is that they're exploring the possibility of a two-train setup on Raven.
Overall, they continue to add rides, so the park's overall capacity increases with their attendance.
You should really treat yourself and go during SRM. The atmosphere alone makes you at ease, PLUS riding those two great coasters in pitch black is heaven on earth. :)
-Brian, who enjoys long walks on the beach, wooden coasters, avoiding being called a "jobber" while keeping it real in the 9Quad.
While I don't think HW is as amzing as some I do have it in my top five parks but below Knobel's, Indiana Beach, and Cedar Point.
If the park had a little more to do it woudl work its way up, but as it is now, there is just not enought o keep me occupied as I am not big on waterparks. I am however sure that this is being remedied as it already is with last years addition of Liberty and Hallowswings
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