Holiday World announces 2005 plans

Almost hard to believe that such a highly ranked coaster could have run for a decade with only one train, especially in a time where many modern coasters open with three and more trains.

Luckily when I went there for the first time last year there wasn't much of a wait, but I was wondering what it would be like when the place was more crowded. It seemed long enough to support two trains. Sounds like a great move.

If you have ever ridden Raven what you would really wonder is how they are going to add a second train to it. The ride is so fast as it is, it has me wondering too. I am sure it is possible otherwise it would not be happening.

I am amazed at the pace Holiday World keeps adding stuff to the park. It is a wonderful thing.

No Disk-O. Moosh sad.

Revolution-O? Moosh happy!

Bahari-O? Moosh happy!

Second train on Raven-O. Moosh VERY happy ;)

Having never been on Raven I have a question for those of you that have, how easy is it going to be to add an additional train? Will any additional work have to be done track wise? Is there enough room on the break run to add another block?

These additions sound great!

If memory serves, Raven was designed to handle two trains with the addition of sensors and a transfer track in the future. I believe the footers for the transfer/storage track were even poured from the start. HW was considering adding the second train several years ago, but decided to save up and get Legend instead. :)
How they will manage to cycle the two trains, on such a short course, efficiently is goiing to be interesting, but I'm sure Holiday World can do it if anyone can.

We alsmot got that third woodie we wanted...

Boy...watch out....'Moosh is having a lot of O's right now... (eek!)

jpb - There's a thread in General Forums on the HW2005 additions. I asked Paula there what changes, if any, would be made. Look for that discussion there ;)

mOOOSH [an extra "O" for redman!]

I don't want any of your O's, Moosh..... ;)

You can run two trains on an Arrow Corkscrew, which is something like 57 seconds station to station, I believe. (Not drop to stop -- station to station. I think it's ~30 seconds drop to stop.)

Basically, you do it by just barely stacking. That allows two-train ops.

This sounds good to me.

Other than the train addition to Raven, I have to say this news is not that exciting to me..a bit of a letdown actually. I'm sure HW knows what they're doing though, and since waterparks are ever increasingly popular, the general public will eat it up.

Wolf, think 2 trains is good on an arrow corkscrew?

Cedar Point runs 3 on their corkscrew! Usually with about 10 seconds of stacking too. You load so fast they run down, check the restraints and "all clear your outta here!"

The ride didn't need two trains because the attendance of the park didn't require two trains.

When I was at Holiday World last year someone asked about a seoncd train on raven and said, the ride is so short it doesn't need it. I don't think it really needs it either, the PTC's are wonderful but with the seatbelts the dispatch time is hurt and with a second train your going to be waiting on the block brakes for a good deal of time.

i agree that the extra train will probably not increase capacity as much as expected. i don't think we can realistically expect to see capacity increase by the 70% claim made by the park simply because the actual ride from dispatch to brake run is less than 90 seconds. especially when you add in the fact that holiday world is a "family" park with some parents riding with their child and taking the time to put souveniers on the stand, put their child in the ride, buckle them, buckle themselves, then close the lap bar... at best we will see a 30%-50% increase in capacity...

but i guess that the reasoning is that a 30% increase is better than nothing.

Remember , when a ride runs one train, the station dwell times are almost always longer than when a ride runs two trains, so when you remove one train, the capacity is usually less than 50% of the two-train capacity.

Holiday World is only estimating a 70% increase in capacity, not a 100% increase in capacity. But with people familiar with the ride, they might get more than that out of it. This is amazingly good news. :)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Yeah, when you've stood there in the station waiting for the single train to return, I'm sure it crosses most people's mind that the time would be best spent filling another train.

I was wondering why Raven didn't have two trains but now I'm happy! Raven is such an awesome coaster. I need to go to Holiday World again and try out their water park!