Hersheypark announces Fahrenheit

So my question is...what the heck was the significance of the "11's" and "Boston" that everyone was talking about? Hmmmmm????

I can't see how there'd be a difference between a motor hauling a 3-car train straight up and a 7-car train up a 50 or 60 degree angle.

The weight is then distributed more to the chain (or cable), sure, but what difference would that make?

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If the ride can hit 850pph then it has just the same kind of capacity Maverick pulls.

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Except Maverick's theoretical capacity is 1,200 pph. In practice they're getting around 1,000 barring a breakdown.

I was kind of hoping it was something a little more exciting... and less like Maverick and Storm Runner, for that matter. Oh well.

Setting aside my disappointment, it looks like a pretty sweet ride. I think we'll be making a trip out there this year to check it out.

I cant seem to find it on their website, where in the park is this ride going/

I asked its location in another thread (since all the release said was next to BoardWalk), and was told where the old "Frontier Chute Outs" now are.

If you check Google Maps and look at the arial image, it is not too dificult to imagine where it will fit... I would assume the station area sitting close to where the Chutes now are with the bulk of the ride following the walk way toward the structure of Wildcat.

On the other hand... depending on how compact it's 2700(or so) feet of track is and now tangled it is, it may fit pretty much on the old Chute site and could go off in the other direction with the cobra roll turn around being on the "Music Box Way" side of the site. In a way this makes a little more sense seeing where the station is located on the diagram... orienting it this way would put the station on the walkway side of the coaster, and not have the return track to the station be between the station and the path.

*** This post was edited by SLFAKE 9/27/2007 4:34:16 PM ***

Great name! Hopefully the stupid restraints won't kill the ride experience the way they do on Maverick (for me).

This does seem an awful lot like Storm Runner like some have mentioned above, aside from the vertical lift and 97-degree drop.

At least it's not as bad as Great America adding an enclosed mouse coaster when they already have an outdoor one. :)

Looks like a great ride. Which way is the ride going to face? I envisioned the station closest to Wildcat, or is the cobra-roll in that direction?

Did anyone catch the flat ride that they announced as well?

Also, Hershey owned up to the Nantimi project:
http://www.hersheypa.com/news/pdfs/nantimi_press_release.pdf

How does Maverick cost 21 million when Fahrenheit only cost 12.

Maverick has all the LSM's plus the additional theming, and I believe the track length is longer.

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If the ride can hit 850pph then it has just the same kind of capacity Maverick pulls.

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Except Maverick's theoretical capacity is 1,200 pph. In practice they're getting around 1,000 barring a breakdown.

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I'm not that familiar with the crowds Hersheypark sees. I'm really only familiar with CP. But I'm guessing their attendance is a little below CP and knowing how Maverick average capacity is around 750 to 800pph. If Fahrenheit could even manage 700pph, I don't think capacity is an issue.

The way the ride program allows the trains to move in and out of the station has a huge affect on capacity. Maverick's biggest downfall is when it runs five trains. The second train doesn't move into the station right away, because the system won't allow the train to roll right into the station. It must come to a complete stop on the brakerun before it moves into the station. Also, Maverick's capacity would be better if the system would allow two trains to park before the lift (similar to TTD). This would allow the ride to clear the two trains in the station as soon as the previous train clears the lift, instead of waiting for that train to clear the horseshoe roll or the brakes before the launch.

Basically, if Fahrenheit's program is done right, it can reach good numbers as long as the crew allows it to.

gomez,

That's exactly what I was thinking, in relation to Maverick and capacity.

I think it's silly to run more then four trains on Maverick. With five, they stack three trains outside the station almost religiously every time I have been there. They stack four as well, five is not efficient IMO.

So for the ride length and whatnot, I think Fahrenheit's capacity will be just fine, utilizing each train. Maverick rarely does so capacity should be about the same.

Maverick runs six trains, and I've yet to see them run an odd number because it would screw up the crap bins. The two trains up track of the station always roll in together. Not simultaneously, but pretty close to each other.

Jeff said:

The weight is then distributed more to the chain (or cable), sure, but what difference would that make?
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Exactly, more weight is put on the chain or cable which in turn would mean at least to me a higher chance of the chain or cable snapping.

I am pretty sure CP was running five trains on Mav one of the two days I was there for Coaster Mania. I remember getting on in the front of the station and out in the rear of the station.

I've seen them run 5 on many, many occasions, but I've only seen them run 4 once. As soon as the line started to grow, they quickly started adding them on.

I've never seen them run any less, and most of the time (barring any bad wheels, etc..) I've seen them run 6.

And I always thought their capacity was amazing. That line never stops.

-Josh

CP runs five trains when one is off because of a bad wheel, but other than that, I haven't seen it.

This Hershey ride looks sweet to me, but there is no way they will get close to 850 pph with only three 12 passenger trains and a ride that long. That would be 70 dispatches per hour or one every 51 seconds. COnsidering it's probably going to take 20 seconds for one train to leave and the next one to park, that doesn't leave much time for people to put crap into loose article bins (maybe they won't have them if they are smart! :)), sit down, and get checked. Maverick's pacing is quite typical and I think the trains SIT in the station for close to a minute.

Maverick runs in five train operation almost everyday when one of the trains needs maintenance. It doesn't usually take anymore than 45 minutes. While in five train the second train is usually coming around the turn into the waiting area when the trains are cleared out the station. The train in the first waiting position moves in like normal and parks. The second train moves up and comes to a complete stop in the rear waiting area on the brakerun, then moves up into the station. This is the reason for the railing to be placed on the unload side of the station, to prevent guest to get to close to that moving train. Four train operation is similar, but it just takes a whole lot longer for that second train to get back into the station.

When people are on the ride, both trains must be cleared at once. The system won't allow only one train to be dispatched. Another rule is that one train MUST come to a complete stop outside of the station.

Three train operation isn't possible in automatic mode.

Here's how to think of it, two trains equal one whole train on another coaster. This basically means at all times you have one train in the station, one in the waiting area, and one on the course. When running at good interval, two trains should be waiting outside the station and a third should be going around the bend to the brakerun. The other train will be entering the tunnel.

Maverick has to have six trains to run efficiently. Five trains isn't bad, but the crew and guest cooperation have to really good.

*** This post was edited by gomez 9/27/2007 8:53:58 PM ***

Jeff said 9/25/2007 9:56:59 PM

"The train doesn't get heavier just because it's a vertical lift, by the way."

No, but the force required to lift it straight up is a lot more that it would be if the lift were on an incline. Which is why I was wondering wether or not LSM's would even be a possibility. I don't know what kind of power output would be required to lift it straight up. What ever lift system is put in place, it will have to be able to bear the weight of the entire train as opposed to the structure sharing the load.