Has B and M ever had an original Coaster Design?
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So we have vertical and inverted and debateably floorless. Thats all I really wondered.
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*** This post was edited by Joe Carroll on 5/17/2002. ***
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The Beast and Night, They go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly
Maybe you're not bashing B&M, but you are inviting other people to, more or less.
As for the trains, perhaps some people like the middle seats ? I prefer the outside seats. When last at SFGAm, I tried to let my frriend ride in the "good" seat, on the outside, and she declined, prefering to ride in the middle. Some people may not want the extra excitement of being on the outside.
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Current favorite coasters:
Wooden: 1) Beast 2) Raven 3) Son of Beast 4) The Boss 5) Timber Wolf
Steel: 1) Raging Bull 2) Millennium Force 3) V2 4) Wild Thing 5) Mr. Freeze
Visit: http://www.dynamicgroove.com
laurence said:
actually, B&M had the idea of a flying coaster long before vekoma thought of it. however, vekoma rushed the R&D of their flyers, whereas B&M took their time and ironed out all the potential problems which vekoma did not.
I already did kinda say that. HeHeHe. Look at the ninth reply
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Roller Coasters or sports? I guess there are questions nobody can answer!
Ajrides said:
"What about B&M dive coasters? B&M coasters are the most reliable coasters built. When was the last time you heard of a B&M crash or one always broke down. Like SROS at SFNE in 2001 and the problems with the operation of MF. B&MRULES!!!!!!!!!!!"
Dive coaster are the same as a sit down except you sit 8 across and if you consider valleying and getting stuck not being broke which Millennium Force isn't then you are right about B&M being reliable. Millennium Force has got some new wheels that suck @$$ and it can get very windy in Sandusky and cold and that effects the ride so by june it will be running perfect. I am not saying B&M sucks I am just saying nothing is perfect
*** This post was edited by Millennium Force2K2 on 5/18/2002. ***
quote: "laurence can you find proof that B&M came up with the flying design first I am not bashing you I just want to see proof"
ok, this may take a while to explain, but stick with me.
john wardley, the guy that designs many rides in the UK and around the world for the tussauds group said that air was first thought of after nemesis opened in 1994. air was supposed to open in 1998, however many technical difficulties meant that the ride couldnt be completed by then, so they went for the 'quick fix' of oblivion. air finally opened in 2002.
with vekoma, their first flyer opened in 2000 (stealth). i believe that vekoma reserched flyers for about 2-3 years if that, so vekoma originally had the idea for a flying coaster around 1997-8, whereas B&M thought of them around 1994.
hope that helps!
*** This post was edited by laurence on 5/18/2002. ***
I think you'd have to check the patent dates. Too bad international patents aren't based on who thought of it first, but who filed first.
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AC?, RB?, MF?, DD?, PR? Who can keep track of it all?
ApolloAndy said:
"Too bad international patents aren't based on who thought of it first, but who filed first."
I actually hope that one day the US adopts this same practice. Would make my life easier.....
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As I recall while US patents aren't based on who filed first, they also are only in part based on who thought of it first. The concept of development of the invention is also improtant in US patent law. If you think of an idea in 1995 and just shelve it, then someone else thinks of it in 1996 and develops it to the point that it is a fully developed, practical invention, the other person is the one who is supposed to get the patents rights. Of course it's a lot more complex than that.
B&M has developed many original ideas. Just a few:
1) The inverted coaster is radically differnt from the suspended. Train position is controled by track design rather than the accelerations on the train. This provide a very different ride perception. It also make elements involving negative G's much more practical.
2) When B&M developed the inverted they eliminated the flor from the train.
3) B&M figured out how the configure the exact track alignment to make OTSRs without pain possible.
4) B&M greatly advanced the design of coaster undercarriages to improve tracking.
5) B&M developed the concept of a highly controlled ride designed to give every rider as consistant and experience as possible not matter what seat they sit in or what time of day they ride.
6) Following from this B&M pioneered the use of active brakes to ensure that a coaster goes through each element at the same speed every time.
7) Of course the dive machine is highly original.
Finally, the most important thing is how well B&M does what they do, not their innovation.
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