Hard Rock Park update - themed areas, ride names, and park rendering

Matt, It's not a new park. It's a replacement park thats supposed to be Full Rock N Roll themed.

I suppose anything fails compared to Disney and Universal in those departments. paramount sure did for me.

Like I said, If it's good, I'll be pleasantly surprised but maybe I've got my expectations too high.

Chuck

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Charles Nungester said:
Matt, It's not a new park.

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Wait.....what?

And again with the Universal and Disney. For all we know this park could completely blow away some of the Universal and Disney parks. I mean...I doubt it, but there's no way of knowing without more details and actually having a visit. *** Edited 4/13/2007 3:44:31 PM UTC by matt.***

^^^^Do you have a link to that article, Chuck?

I'm interested, the only stuff that I have seen that's "official-ish" has come FROM the park (or rcdb), and I've yet to see anything that says the park will open with less than the full complement of five coasters.

As always, I'm willing to be wrong (weven moreso on this one), but I'm still thinking...maybe believing/hoping...that it's going to open *fully-stocked*.

Once again, I think my comment was more of an observation than a complaint. My intention was not to compare it to IOA based on size, but on price range verse originality.

Secondly, I stressed that my observations were based solely on what has been presented thus far. And finally, this is a discussion board. Why am I being burned for discussing? What do we have to talk about if everybody thinks it's magnificent because they have coasters. From an enthusiasts perspective, it's a great line-up, from a business perspective, with a big name like Hard Rock, I would assume they would want to distinguish themselves as a destination park, and FROM WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED (because that's all there is to discuss), it doesn't seem to meet that designation IMO.

Now get off my back about it, I'm not making you agree with me. Geez.

^ Deep breaths, LOL. Seriously, I don't get why some *discussion* is viewed as complaining either. I guess alot of the context stuff that gets lost on the Internet is the kind of information that distinguishes between "observations" and "complaints". No one can see your facial expression from your post.

I guess I'm guilty of trying to always take posts in their most positive light.....but, for me at least, it sure beats all heck out of the alternative... :)

If no one ever had anything negative to say, then where would parks get the idea that some things DO fall into the category of "needs improvement"?

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matt. said:

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Charles Nungester said:
Matt, It's not a new park.

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Wait.....what?

And again with the Universal and Disney. For all we know this park could completely blow away some of the Universal and Disney parks. I mean...I doubt it, but there's no way of knowing without more details and actually having a visit. *** Edited 4/13/2007 3:44:31 PM UTC by matt.***

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I said it's a replacement park, Meaning For the Boardwalk. Also two other parks have been on the same location as Hardrock in the past. One of them was Pirates Cove. A park I visited in 1982.

I hope it does compare with Universal/Disney. I don't know. Just from the one press release it didn't sound like the place was going to have a lot to offer for $47.00. I hope IM wrong.
Chuck

http://www.hardrockpark.com/press/pressRelease.pdf

Bill, Thats the release I was going on. Mentions two coasters (One kinda like Mystery Mine) a flume and several attractions based on R&R.

It does say over 40 rides and attractions. Maybe Im being a pessimist.

Chuck

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Charles Nungester said:

Maybe Im being a pessimist.

Chuck

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I think you are. If the production values of this place match up to those of all the Hard Rock Hotels and most of the Cafes then this place might just give Universal and Disney a run for their respective monies. And hopefully the food will be of a slightly higher standard than the usual theme/amusement park fare.

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SFGAMDie HARD said:

Secondly, I stressed that my observations were based solely on what has been presented thus far. And finally, this is a discussion board. Why am I being burned for discussing? What do we have to talk about if everybody thinks it's magnificent because they have coasters.

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1. You complain (or make negative observations, or whatever) about a park with for now, very sketchy details.

2. I say it's dumb and you're jumping to conclusions and you're wrong.

3. You complain about me disagreeing with your complaint.

4. I then point at to you (this is the part I'm doing now) that if you're going to post something on a message board you need to be ready to have people disagree with you.

This is dumbfounding to me. You seem to be exulting the benefits of "discussion" yet when someone disagrees with you you ask "Why am I being burned for discussing?" C'mon dude, you have an opinion, that's fine. But lighten up when you have an unpopular opinion and plenty of people are here to tell you why.

I (along with my good friend Chuck) have unpopular opinions all the time but I don't bemoan it or feel like I'm getting burned if other people disagree.

I hope so. Next year I have penciled in a SW tour. All of which I havn't visited.
Chuck

WARNING

If you continue to piss and moan and argue about the definition of pissing and moaning and arguing, this thread will be closed.

If you disagree with someone, say why you disagree. Don't give them crap about them having the original opinion itself.

That is all.

According to an article in USA Today, the B&M will be named "Stairway to Heaven" after the Led Zeppelin song. The article also has a rendering that appears to have been done in No Limits:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2007-04-12-led-zeppelin-roller-coaster_N.htm

I forgot to add the link showing the model of the coaster:

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/special_packages/theme_park_birth/17077421.htm

According to this:
http://rcdb.com/document240.htm
"Whole Lotta Love" is the musical selection.

rcdb also lists the name as "Led Zeppelin - The Ride".

The "stairway to heaven" reference in the article byline seems to have been thrown in for entertainment purposes, not as an indication of ride name OR song.

I think that HRP should have set up shop in Orlando or maybe even Hollywood just because Myrtle Beach doesnt seem too much like a younger persons city (I say this because the only people I know who go there are my grandparents and their friends.)

Orlando and Hollywood are very popular with grandparents and their friends also. ;)

I really hope the Vekomas aren't an SLC and a junior SLC although that certainly wouldn't surprise me. A Booster Bike would rock and with the name "Midnight Rider", would be an awesome fit.

I'd bet on a rollerskater being one of the Vekoma's.

I think the new park will be a nice park but really any new park should try to build on a plot that allows room for adding at least five new major rides or coasters in the near future(5-12 years) without the need to remove an existing ride. Shoehorning a ride in like in Indiana Beach doe not look good in a heavily themed park like IOA or WDW although IB can get away with it becaus it is design to resemble and old fashioned traditional boardwalk because it IS one. I wonder if CP is all that concerned about having the largest coaster collection in the world as long as there is enough variety @ CP? Case in point: Maverick while a nice addition required removal or a major ride. If CP is content with even just a few less coasters (like about 13 to 15) I can see them removing less popular older coasters for new major rides or coasters like SFMM just did. I would NOT miss Mean Streak for a newer TGG, GCI or an Intamin woodie espeically a large dueling woodie. Older parks can justify removing rides especially ones that are obsolete and lost popularity but like I said a new park needs expansion space. IOA has finally saw declining attendence and needs a new coaster soon. But they had to remove a ride already. But they also still have room for a compact wooden twister or flying coaster in the SW corner of the park behind the JP River Adventures. But IOA is going to struggle to fit in anthing like the B&M mini hyper they just built in Universal Japan.

My only "complaint" about HR Park is that it is not opening with a wooden coaster. I would like to see a mid-sized out-n-back added to the park in the near future. But the lack of said coaster would not be any reason for me to skip visiting the park. Hopefully it's included in their short-range expansion/addition plans.

With so many parks closing these days I'm just happy that in addition to HR Park we also have the opening of Wild West World north of Wichita.*

mOOSH

[*did I forget any others?]