Hard Rock Park closing early...

Friday, August 15, 2008 8:57 AM

Lord Gonchar said:
Seriously though, you're not a dumb guy. Drop all the musical pretentiousness for a minute. Any of those dinosaur bands (with the possible exception of the Moody Blues) have a larger, wider spreading and more varied fanbase and still sells more albums, merchandise and tickets than all the other bands you listed combined.

Pretentious ain’t me. I went to see Tiffany last week… and I liked it. The CD player in my car currently has Madonna, Interpol, Public Enemy, Rihanna, Dead Milkmen, the Doors, A Split Second, and Goldfrapp. What I am is diverse. I imagine most other people are, too. That is not the feel I get from the park, even with reading the trip reports and seeing what they have to offer.

I’m not saying that Led Zep and the Eagles don’t have huge fan bases, and if it were my park, I’d absolutely have the Led Zeppelin ride OR the Eagles ride. I just wouldn’t “put all my eggs in one basket.” Not saying that the Moody Blues ride isn’t great. Just saying that it doesn’t matter how good it is if people say “that band sucks. I’m not doing that.”

Compare it to Islands of Adventure. They couldn’t survive as Jurassic Park, or as toon Town, or as Seuss Island. There are major attractions that appeal to many different demographics. That’s how you get asses through gates. Once they’re inside, it’s much easier to show off all the cool stuff you have.


Then he said hastily:
I'm not sure why we keep making suggestions of how to theme new rides or shops to other bands - that's not really even what the park does.

I do it because it’s fun. How about a methadone clinic themed to Jane’s Addiction? A refreshment stand that sells sweetened Ice-T? George Michael’s rest room experience?

Y’know a big problem I see with this park? I think the Hard Rock brand in itself is devalued. I really don’t think that people see it as special any more. When there were only a few Hard Rock Cafes in London, NYC, Toronto, there was an allure to them... something that made people want to travel to them. Now that there are somewhere around 150 locations, the Hard Rock name isn’t that big of a deal any more, and I think that a lot of people think that this park isn't that big of a deal, either.

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Friday, August 15, 2008 9:47 AM
^I would agree with you there. I am sure it has lost its "appeal" over the years. There are probably a handful of us that think the "Hard Rock" thing is still cool, even the Cafe's. Hell, I wish we had one here in Charleston! I have been to about 9 or 10 of them and loved every one of them. I think they are kickass but that's just me. ;) I love that s***. But to each his own.

The food isn't too shabby either. :)

-Tina

*** Edited 8/15/2008 1:49:03 PM UTC by coasterqueenTRN***

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Friday, August 15, 2008 11:30 AM

coasterqueenTRN said:

I was hoping for a Motley Crue coaster myself. ;)


Hmmm... "Kickstart My Heart" the Motocoaster! :)

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Friday, August 15, 2008 12:46 PM
Islands of Adventure is a park that people like. However, could Islands of Adventure get that many people being alone by itself, and out of Orlando? Surely, there are more visitors to Orlando, but how many people would they lose being somewhere else like in Texas by itself?

That's usually not a full days park, and you have Citywalk plus next door. Also in Orlando and Tampa, you have so many attractions that it seems it's worth to go there.

My point is that Islands of Adventures has help. When people get bored there, they can do something else next door so it's worth it. Disney also has help with the park hoppers. Some people say Animal Kingdom is a half-day park.

Would it be worth to go to Texas, and just go to the Animal Kingdom with no other amusement park around? Animal Kingdom survives because you have so much around besides that one park.

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Friday, August 15, 2008 3:07 PM
kpjb said:

The CD player in my car currently has Madonna, Interpol, Public Enemy, Rihanna, Dead Milkmen, the Doors, A Split Second, and Goldfrapp. What I am is diverse. I imagine most other people are, too.

In psychology, they call that "projection". ;)

Seriously though, most people aren't THAT musically diverse in terms of tastes. IMO(!)...the world would be a better place if people took diversity more to heart, and in their lives and beliefs....but that's just not the reality of the situation for the majority of people my age and older....

P.S. I mentioned Chuck D. in my previous post for a reason... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBlMrGgpwXE


*** Edited 8/15/2008 7:07:45 PM UTC by rollergator***

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Friday, August 15, 2008 4:06 PM
Pretentious ain’t me. I went to see Tiffany last week… and I liked it.

I saw Yazoo a few weeks ago on their 25th anniversary tour. They had never played Los Angeles before. Vince and Allison were f'in amazing!

The CD player in my car currently has Madonna, Interpol, Public Enemy, Rihanna, Dead Milkmen, the Doors, A Split Second, and Goldfrapp.

As for what's in my car's CD player its just a single disc but it has REM, Beck, Gabriella Cilmi, Weezer, Yazoo, Ladytron, Mates of State, Elvis Costello, Apes & Androids, Peter Gabriel, Santogold, Duffy, The Last Shadow Puppets, Black Kids, MGMT, Wolfgang Press, Airborne Toxic Event, The Virgins, Love Psychedelico, and The Ting Tings.

What I am is diverse. I imagine most other people are, too. That is not the feel I get from the park, even with reading the trip reports and seeing what they have to offer.

Not so sure I agree with you there. I think most people pretty much stick with one genre of music. I think people like you and me are the exception to the rule.

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Friday, August 15, 2008 4:18 PM
Moosh, count me in as the exception. Granted it mostly rock, but different syles. i've got Boston, Kansas (gag gift from a friend in Wichita), Bon Jovi, Gary Hoey, Joe Satriani, Weird Al, and Bob Seger. Toss in a little George Winston for relaxing, and that's my soundtrack.
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Friday, August 15, 2008 4:55 PM
With the exception of Winston and Yankovich the rest I would categorize as "classic rock." Not a bad thing nor a judgement call...just how I see it.
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Friday, August 15, 2008 5:14 PM
@ moosh: The Wolfgang Press. Yay!
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Friday, August 15, 2008 5:25 PM
You like Wolfgang Press? What a sucka! (lol)
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Friday, August 15, 2008 6:03 PM
Hoey only came on the sceen about '93. I like "classic rock" because I really can't stand some of the newer stuff. (I'm 26 and that's saying a bit.)
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Friday, August 15, 2008 6:32 PM
Taste in music is subjective. We like what we like for many reasons. We develop deep, personal connections to songs, bands, and genres that steer our musical development our entire lives. Some people live their lives only listening to country, or classic rock, or opera, or jazz...and that's totally. For them.

I try to be as open-minded as possible when it comes to new music, yet I freely admit that I often prejudge a band before hearing it. I was aware of Death Cab for Cutie for years but assumed, based on their name alone, that they'd be speed metal or death metal or something like that. A friend even sent me a copy of "Transatlanticism" and it sat gathering dust for years. Imagine my surprise and embarassment when I heard "Soul Meets Body" and discovered I was completely wrong about the band. They are now one of my favorites. I guess I learned nothing from Barenaked Ladies (who are neither naked or ladies), Violent Femmes (who are neither violent or female) Ben Folds Five (who was a trio) or the Thompson Twins (who were only a duo at the end of their career).

Anyway I apologoze for the tangent. Back to HRP?

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Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:24 AM
Moosh, it's all in good fun. Remeber my tangent about beers & breweries around parks?
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Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:15 AM
You guys still use CD's? Old farts!
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Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:16 PM
Only in my car....for now.
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Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:55 PM
I'm broke & can't afford an iSheep (iPod). I still like having music so I can share it without getting a virus.
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Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:59 PM
What the hell are you talking about?
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Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:20 AM
I guess I better "get with the times" and get an IPOD. ;)

-Tina

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Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:45 AM
Baaaa.
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Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:52 AM
iPods sell because they work extremely well, not because they're trendy.
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